16-01-2004 13:30									#1
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Hi,

I got a pretty strange problem with the percentage computation.
In 1924, I have a score of about 3200 points and therefore a percentage of about 320 % (emperor level). The year after, my score is still about 3200 pts, but the percentage becomes -320 % !!
All the years after, my percentage remains negative, about this value.
Nothing special happens during 1924. I re-played this year several times, even doing absolutely nothing ; and my percentage becomes negative systematically in 1925.
Has anyone already underwent this problem ?
What is it caused by ?

	16-01-2004 22:46									#2
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16 bit integer arithmetic has a range of values from -32K to +32K-1 - I guess you rolled over the top ...

Stu

	17-01-2004 01:32									#3
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Sounds like it.

	19-01-2004 13:54									#4
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Thanks for this clue.

How could this roll-over be avoided ?
People got scores well over 32K, and it looks like they did not get this problem.

	19-01-2004 15:07									#5
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I'm not sure. Keep playing after 1925, and I'm sure that it will right itself soon enough. Celebrate your cities up, or research some FTs, and the percentage will rise with the score. Good luck!

Or alternatively, we could start a lowest percentage Hall of Shame.

	19-01-2004 15:14									#6
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What version are you playing - open the game options menu and it tells you on the 'title bar' of the menu...

Stu

	20-01-2004 14:11									#7
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My Civ2 version is basically 1.00

Well, I already tried to continue the game after 1924. In fact, I realized that my percentage was negative when I ended the game in 2018 with my spaceship arrival. My score was about 9500 pts, and my percentage about -315 % !
So, I went back in history thanks to my savings, and realized that something went wrong in 1924.

I remember also that, in the HoF of another website dedicated to Civ, someone had an excellent score and a negative percentage (at Deity level).
So it looks like I am not the only one :-)

	20-01-2004 15:14									#8
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Aha!!!
There were many bugs in the early releases of Civ2 - most of us have CDs with versions varying from 1.03 to 1.08 (my own) up to 1.4 or so --- the latest release is 2.42 which fixes many many bugs including iirc the one of which you have fallen foul.
You can get the upgrade - genuine MicroProse release from the Directory at this site - go to the Civ2 home page and click on Directory ...

Stu

	20-01-2004 20:56									#9
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Yep. You need the 2.42 patch. I looked for it at the Directory (called Dir) page, per Stu's suggestion, but couldn't find it. If you need another source for patches, etc, check out this link...

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2downloads.shtml

scroll down to the Patches section and you will find what you need.

Monk

	20-01-2004 21:16									#10
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Oh ye of little faith ...
http://apolyton.net/civ2/misc/patches/civ242.zip

Stu

	20-01-2004 21:48									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Oh ye of little faith ... http://apolyton.net/civ2/misc/patches/civ242.zip Stu

Presumedly, this is unzipped directly to the Civ2 directory.

Me, little faith!! Well, not usually, anyway.

I could not find, and even with your link, can not find that file by going to the Civ2 home page. Color me lost.

Monk

	20-01-2004 23:02									#12
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Civ2 home page -> Database -> Special -> Item 4 of 6 IIRC
The link above is a cleaned up version - the 'Polly link has some advertising cr*p attached

Stu

	21-01-2004 00:10									#13
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Thanks, Stu, I found it at Mother Poly. Why the 2.42 patch is so well hidden rather than as an outfront flashing notice is beyond me. BTW, I think it is okay to say crap. Ming does anyhow.

Monk

	22-01-2004 10:56									#14
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I know 2.42 is the highest patch for v1.0, but isn't there somewhere he can download 2.78? Better than 2.42; you just can't use any saved games<2.78.

	22-01-2004 12:58									#15
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Theben
2.78 is Fantastic Worlds which, true has many scenarios available to it, but at least in every incarnation I have had running is horribly bug ridden.
My recommendation would be to have 2.42 loaded for vanilla SP, Succession & Comparison games - and have a second installation of MPGE for all your scenario, MP and Succession & Comparison game needs -- I include Succession & Comparison in both groups because they are normally set up for one of these two variants

Stu

	23-01-2004 04:43									#16
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I never had any problems with 2.78. In fact it's less buggy than MGE, that's why I use it. I HAVE MGE.

Are u sure it's not a difference in the UK version?

	23-01-2004 11:30									#17
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I can certainly confirm that I have experienced bugs when playing "ordinary civ" (ie not scenarios) with FW. These centre around the diplomatic contact. Under certain circumstances it is not possible to start a diplomatic dialogue using the foreign advisor screen. It is also sometimes not possible to use a diplomat to bribe an enemy city - not just capitals.

I was unable to complete the first early landing game which I started in FW because of these bugs. They were cured when I played the game again using 2.42.

RJM at Sleeper's

	23-01-2004 13:23									#18
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Yes RJM - these are the specific bugs that I have encountered..

Stu

	24-01-2004 00:36									#19
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Again I ask: are you sure it's not a problem in the UK/European version? I've played a lot of civ @ 2.78, and never encountered those problems.

Anyone stateside have these bugs?

	24-01-2004 01:05									#20
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Every list of patches I have seen says that 2.42 is the final patch for Civ2 and that 2.78 is for a different game. I think there may have been a European version of MP, but the differences had to do with language choices, not the basic game. Just the fact that Theben can not load saves for a 2.42 game with his 2.78 patched version indicates that 2.78 is not for Civ2.

Monk

	24-01-2004 01:53									#21
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To answer your question directly Theben - No! -- However, unlike MGE which exists in the UK as the UCC and which are not quite the same - there is no evidence to suggest that there is such a thing as a UK variant of 2.42 or 2.78

Stu

	24-01-2004 06:20									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits To answer your question directly Theben - No! -- However, unlike MGE which exists in the UK as the UCC and which are not quite the same - there is no evidence to suggest that there is such a thing as a UK variant of 2.42 or 2.78 Stu

Yep. That's what I tried to imply. The patches are universal, not region or country specific.

If Theben were to get the 2.42 patch he could play in one of the SXN games. I'm sure he would receive a warm welcome.

Monk

	24-01-2004 06:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk Just the fact that Theben can not load saves for a 2.42 game with his 2.78 patched version indicates that 2.78 is not for Civ2.

2.42 isn't compatible b/c of changes in the labels and rules.txt.

quote: If Theben were to get the 2.42 patch he could play in one of the SXN games. I'm sure he would receive a warm welcome.

I've modded my civ game and it has too many units for 2.42. I'll stick with 2.78, thanks.

	24-01-2004 07:05									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Theben 2.42 isn't compatible b/c of changes in the labels and rules.txt.

Which adds to the conviction that 2.78 applies to a different game, don't you think??

Monk

	24-01-2004 19:05									#25
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It's still civ2 though.

	26-01-2004 20:54									#26
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One could still add 2.4.2 (oldciv or classic civ) in a different directory. I would think that there is enough space on most hard drives nowadays to fully enjoy Civ II.

	27-01-2004 15:32									#27
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	27-01-2004 18:37									#28
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I have loaded my game with 2.42 and the percentage is correct now.

Many thanks !

Do you know if the HoF is still accepting submissions ?

	27-01-2004 18:48									#29
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I don't know I'm afraid, but there are loads of officials here with reponsibility for different things, so I'm sire that one will be able to update the HoF.
If it's worthy of a HoF placing, well done!

	27-01-2004 21:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits [ot] quote: from Old n Slow's sig file Those with lower expectations face fewer disappointments Those who aim for the stars seldom shoot themselves in the foot. [/ot]

Well I guess things are slowing down -- SG [1] is finally getting around to commenting on tag lines.

Hmmm -- maybe we need a speed Sxn game? What's the fastest that one has been completed?