16-01-2004 16:19									#1
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Spices from ND, 20gpt from RP.

EotS completes our third University, and Bolderburg can finally get its mkt with some adjustment in shield phase. It could do Magellans in 40 turns ...

No big questions really. ND have both Gems and Ivory - perhaps we could see if they want to trade one of those for Incense - we'd see some WLTK benefit. Shall we send them Incense unnacepted?

	16-01-2004 16:23									#2
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Seeing as we expect Lego to top Vox up in tech (unconfirmed), and 20 turns of furs is not really enough for that tech, shall we offer them 40 turns of fur? We've nothing to lose and some to gain by letting them have their furs now. It would make the F4 trade screen look good too - trades with all civs

	16-01-2004 18:20									#3
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40 turns of fur for demo is a good price, if you ask me. But let them ask for something before mentioning it ourselves.

Erhm... CH, it's Bolderberg, not burg... I used to live there for over 20 years

If RP doesn't build Magellan, we might need to do it, yes. we should make a (joint) decision here quickly, to not risk losing prebuilds, or the wonder itself. Personally, I would rather have it in RP's hands, for the simple reason that no-one will expect them to start invasions, while they might be scared of us if we go more naval. OTOH, we don't have much navy left, and it might trick others in thinking we focus on naval activities a lot.

DeepO

	16-01-2004 18:56									#4
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Start

Accept spices-furs deal with ND.
Accept RP's 20gpt and WM

On reflection, we can't open another trade with ND this turn - only one trade per turn works in PBEM, I think.

Also, the newly traded lux doesn't count for happies in the shield phase and we lose the WLTK in Eliopolis, leaving it a shield short of temple in 2. Damn. Never mind, Inchon will get some extra shields next turn.


EotS builds Uni, starts temple.

Scoll through to BB and adjust so it can complete mkt.

Cyclone builds worker, starts worker.

BB completes mkt, starts temple - could be lib, bank, prebuild for Magellan ...

Tempest completes Temple, starts Cathedral


Moves & MM

GoW's galley has withdrawn to Port Isol-9

Coast is literally clear for NE pike and MI on Forest to withdraw. Other units shuffle south.

One galley near Port Isol heads clockwise, rest shuffle clockwise a place.

Rest of Northern galleys move towards forming a shield around San Diego.

Southern sea galleys continue homewards - one will disband in Typhoon to push the aqua.

Worker nr santa Barbara irrigates

WoC only needs 2s for templ, so grass irrigated for extra 2 food and growth this turn. It's fun MMing cities with workers!

Decided against irrigating Diss for now - it only complicates things and probably won't help much.

Started 2 workers on a fortress on Inchon's Iron.

Moved 4 wrks nr Santa Ana north

Moved 5 souther workers to forest for chop when Sufa's aqua is finished.

Disbanded galley in Inchoff - aqua in 19 turns

MM'd OG & Tempest to get Tempest back to 21 spt for possible Newton's prebuild (via cath, bank)

Changed Sandtorm for a settler next turn.

Banking in 3 turns, +13 gpt.

	16-01-2004 19:09									#13
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	16-01-2004 19:12									#14
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RP needs 2 defenders in SB to be absolutely certain the city won't flip. As it is, chances are around 1 in 2000 (per turn)

Cheers on doing another turn, CH

DeepO

	16-01-2004 19:16									#15
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Or a temple - would be cheaper on build & maintainance.

	16-01-2004 19:18									#16
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no... even with a temple, the risk remains the same. It needs defenders.

A temple would pressure Port Isolation more, and that's of course not a bad thing. Their chances are higher as it is farther away from the capital. If they would have no defenders (which I doubt), the chance of flipping to RP would be something like 1 in 250 per turn...

DeepO

	16-01-2004 19:49									#17
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Oh my, would that ever suck (flippage).

RP should have a major flip chance advantage over there, though, because their capital is very close, whereas Imperial City is rather far.

Good job with the turn, Cort. The screenshots always amuse me - we have such an odd mix of units (warriors, spears, pikes, knights, war chariots, catapults... all next to each other on the sea wall).

The powergraph is depressing, though.

-Arrian

	17-01-2004 01:43									#18
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Great job with the turn.

Love those quick turn around times. b I just wish the rest of the world would do the same. it will be june before we get steam, at this rate.

re: flipping

Our treaty with vox guarantees the immediate return of flipping city, so hopefully the damage would be minimized.

	17-01-2004 01:51									#19
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Not a city flipping to VOX, a city flipping to GoW (pressure from Port Isolation). THAT would suck.

-Arrian

	17-01-2004 01:55									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Not a city flipping to VOX, a city flipping to GoW (pressure from Port Isolation). THAT would suck. -Arrian

Earth to Asleepathewheel

Yes that would suck.

	17-01-2004 03:54									#21
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Guys, no need to worry about flipping, as long as RP puts 2 defenders in Santa Barbara there is no risk whatsoever. It may have been 2 years since I worked on that formula, I still remember it

DeepO

	17-01-2004 09:20									#22
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Can anyone recall what patch version the game was started with?

I am getting some strange results for tech costs now, and I seem to remember some tech costs being changed.

	17-01-2004 22:29									#23
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re: Santa Barbara

2 defenders is 60 shields - that's nearly two-thirds a marketplace and an extra 2gpt to avert a 1/2000 risk per-turn.

I cannot understand how a city with a temple and only 3 squares from it's capital could be flipped by a neighbouring city with no culture so far and a long way from its capital.

	18-01-2004 00:00									#24
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I sent a PM to Togas here about Santa Barbara, Seawall, & Magellans.