16-01-2004 21:16									#1
	C3C PBEM Tournament : Game # 1 Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Remember to use v1.12

Good Luck everyone !

Player list: edited to show new play order, civs and GMT times.

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ADG        a_grau AT hotmail DOT com  Arabs     (GMT +1)
Conqueror  conqueror AT mbnet DOT fi  Egypt     (GMT +2)
Rommel2D   jwala AT fastmail DOT fm   Spain     (GMT -6)
predesad   predesad AT yahoo DOT com  Portugal  (GMT -6)

Last edited by Conqueror on 20-01-2004 at 19:14

	16-01-2004 21:42									#2
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I just got the turn, and installed 1.12, but for some reason it doesn't accept my cd in the drive? I've tried to have the cd in both drives, but for some reason it can't find it
This patch didn't change anything with cd-security, did it?

	16-01-2004 22:54									#3
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/edit: edited because free PC cleaning tools i mentioned here before, have turned commercial and you cant dl them anymore.

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	17-01-2004 01:30									#4
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Thx, though I don't have any cd/dvd burners in my computer...


I can load the game with 1.00... does the new version make any difference in PBEM games?

	17-01-2004 08:53									#5
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I think there are two issues that would concern PBEM. The first is Forbidden Palace corruption. Without the patch, the FP makes corruption worse when built. If these pangeas are too small to make the FP a possibility, this won't be a problem. The second is more important. Seafaring civs were made more likely to start on a coast. Since Octavian used 1.12, this isn't a problem either.

This is all I saw in the readme. Unfortuantely, Firaxis has been neglecting documentation recently in the interest of faster development. I don't know how thorough the readme for 1.12 is.
From what is documented v1.0 shouldn't make a serious problem for us, but you should patch if at all possible. Otherwise, we'll need to see a note from your mother. :-)

	17-01-2004 09:08									#6
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okay guys, this is a cruel joke, i know this game could not have possibly started, i wont believe it, i refuse to get my hopes up...

	17-01-2004 10:26									#7
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Um, Conqueror, ADG, if the turn isn't already sent, could one of you post what civs the rest of us drew?

	17-01-2004 13:16									#8
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I can load the game with 1.00... does the new version make any difference in PBEM games?

Gah... 1.00 is worse in other means too but the FP - it has the extreme penalty for building cities to same distance from capitol.

I'd rather not play with 1.00.

	17-01-2004 13:18									#9
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	17-01-2004 14:04									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Conqueror Me = Sucky English - seafaring, but did NOT start near coast.

Sorry Conqueror, but that's the worst-case scenario I mentioned before in the main thread. Unless you have some nice rivers and cattle herds, I'd ask Octavian if he checked this game for fair start positions. (Also, did he start it with v1.12? It is supposed to almost guarantee that seafaring civs will get a coastal start. Don't play the lottery today, dude. ;-)

	17-01-2004 14:24									#11
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I sent the save to Rommel, hoping it wont screw up anything...

	17-01-2004 14:27									#12
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	17-01-2004 14:31									#13
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I sent the save to Rommel, hoping it wont screw up anything...

We'll just have to try how it turns out. Well the official patch isnt so far away Lets hope it will be compatible with old saves and will fix these problems.

	17-01-2004 14:37									#14
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ADG, the email attachment looks empty (zeroK). I don't know if this is related to the patch or your email account. It saves to my drive, but gives a Load Error when I try to load it.

	17-01-2004 14:44									#15
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I'll try to send it again in a few minutes...

	17-01-2004 14:48									#16
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sent

	17-01-2004 15:02									#17
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Ok, what is going on? I just loaded the game, it gave me a nice view of Amsterdam, gave me my turn when I hit enter, and showed me the Celt units after I hit enter for my turn. Is something wrong with the save, or is there no protection for other player's turns?

I'm headed off to bed, I'll have to take care of this after some sleep...

	17-01-2004 15:05									#18
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I've had this problem before (in PTW), though after reloading the same save (IIRC) there were no problems...

	17-01-2004 19:10									#19
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	17-01-2004 23:35									#20
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The turn worked after a reload. Sent to predesad.

I have a good start, but since I've seen ADG's and predesad's starting location and had Conqueror describe his as awful, I'm for a restart. Would I have the same problem with the first turn if we did?

	18-01-2004 00:18									#21
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	18-01-2004 00:22									#22
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I wonder, did ADG get that evil civ he loaths so much? Are you willing to chance it again? >:-)

	18-01-2004 00:44									#23
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i am for a restart because, while not trying to criticize Octavian, the maps were made and checked for fair starting positions, took quite a while too, if u ask me. obviously conqueror did not get a fair position. not overly concerned about Rommel getting a view of 2 other starting positions, including my own, but this further lends support to restarting, if there were no other issues i would not care. in conquerors case, if the map were made & checked, if i were seafaring & had no coast, i'd b pissed, & no shields???

wait, let's first see if im near conqueror, if i am surely i can wipe him out quickly, then i say no restart.

	18-01-2004 00:54									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D I wonder, did ADG get that evil civ he loaths so much? Are you willing to chance it again? >:-)

Oct said he would pick a random Civ for me, avoiding the Civ I don't want to play as, so no problems from my side...

	18-01-2004 02:10									#25
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	18-01-2004 08:46									#26
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any word on possibilities of restart

	18-01-2004 14:07									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Ok, what is going on? I just loaded the game, it gave me a nice view of Amsterdam, gave me my turn when I hit enter, and showed me the Celt units after I hit enter for my turn. Is something wrong with the save, or is there no protection for other player's turns?

I have an idea : when we get the new map, lets keep a piece of paper in the middle of the monitor, then only slightly peek under it & if it shows someone else's turn, quickly hit enter to see if your turn comes around or exit civ and try reloading the save.

	18-01-2004 15:22									#28
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Ok, I'll do something of the sort- I've already forgotten what I saw from the last game, anyway. I'm more concerned about the seafaring mess. Hopefully we'll have a new game later today...

Conq, would you mind updating us on the new civs as soon as you get it? Vielen dank.

	18-01-2004 15:25									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Conqueror I have an idea : when we get the new map, lets keep a piece of paper in the middle of the monitor, then only slightly peek under it & if it shows someone else's turn, quickly hit enter to see if your turn comes around or exit civ and try reloading the save.

This doesn't only happen during the first few turns... it happened in the Naval game also, but it didn't make any difference since I already had the map of this player...

	18-01-2004 18:48									#30
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Last edited by Conqueror on 20-01-2004 at 18:21