18-01-2004 20:17									#1
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German, French, Italian, & Spanish BETA 1.15 Update
This will update your version of Conquests to match the English v1.15 that was posted last week.

These files will be moving to the Firaxis FTP site on Wednesday the 21st.


An official-nonBeta patch isn't going to be released until the end of February.

File Locations:
German:
http://www.civfanatics.net/~tavis/f...German_v115.zip

French
http://www.civfanatics.net/~tavis/f...French_v115.zip

Spanish
http://www.civfanatics.net/~tavis/f...panish_v115.zip

Italian
http://www.civfanatics.net/~tavis/f...talian_v115.zip

English
http://www.civfanatics.net/~tavis/files/C3CBETAv115.zip
NOTE: Thank you Thunderfall@ Civfanatics for temporarily hosting the files!


Thanks for your patience,

Jesse Smith
Producer, Firaxis Games

	19-01-2004 16:14									#2
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As I'm not a computer wizard, I haven't installed the beta patches yet as I've read you sometimes had to copy certain original files. I figure the official patch will install smoothly on the original conquest 1.00 version?

Kind regards,
AJ

	19-01-2004 16:38									#3
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The official patch is supposed to, yes. So far we know that v1.12 works on as-released C3C, but for v1.13 and v1.15 you need to install the earlier patch(es). Sof for v1.13 you need to have v1.12 installed first, and fir v1.15 you need to install both v1.12 and v1.13 first. If this is any indication of the trend, it may be necessary for non-English players to install v1.12, v1.13, v1.15 (Eng) and THEN their specific language update from here.

Keep in mind these ARE all Beta patches.

Jesse - can you answer definitively whether you need to install the already-released English-only patch before one of these, or do they supplant the English patch completely if you want to play in one of these languages?

	19-01-2004 20:56									#4
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Can I use the English patch on my European version? At the official site, it stands that it is for US only...

	20-01-2004 11:45									#5
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Im sticking with 1.12 until these get posted at Atari hopefully with instructions that will clarify exactly what you need to have installed before 1.15

	20-01-2004 13:22									#6
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I bet that the only way to avoid confusion and mistakes is to wait for the end of February ( quite a lot of time BTW ) when the official patch will be released.


Gunter

	20-01-2004 15:14									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Can I use the English patch on my European version? At the official site, it stands that it is for US only...

This question has been unanswered yet - either you apply the English patch and then one of the above ones to fix to your language version, or you just apply one of the above ones and skip the English v1.15 completely. I have not seen evidence of a different European English patch than the American English patch. I am in NZ, where we just use any old English version patch that turns up, and that is fine.

	20-01-2004 16:55									#8
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Are these new 1.15 patches stad-alone or they need both 1.12 and 1.13 to work properly?

	21-01-2004 00:24									#9
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Needs both.

	21-01-2004 01:07									#10
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Only 1.15 is needed.

	21-01-2004 01:25									#11
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I think that the answer is that only 1.15 will be needed, when you get it from Firaxis.com on Wednesday.

	21-01-2004 03:55									#12
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The existing 1.15 needs both at this time, is that not correct?
The Feb patch is not suppose to require any previous patches.
I don't know about any other conditions for any patches before Feb.

	21-01-2004 04:04									#13
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 The existing 1.15 needs both at this time, is that not correct?

Yes that is correct.

	21-01-2004 05:12									#14
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Well, I tested this and it apprers that it's exactly same old 1.15, which lacks some files from 1.12 update, like updated editor for example.

So it does need previous patches.

	21-01-2004 08:30									#15
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If you install Beta Patch v1.15 you will have the latest version which 'includes' all files from Patch 1.12 (if you are using a localized version it also includes the 1.01 & 1.02 files). There is no need to install any of the previous patches prior to installing v1.15.

v1.15 is separated into individual language versions to minimize the download times for users who have slower Internet connections. The reason the English version is smaller than the localized versions is due to the localized versions having more files (from the 1.01 & 1.02 patches).

The English version is Identical to the earlier v1.15 posting, it was included in the message for any users who were unaware of its posting.

As always, your feedback and comments are appreciated.

Thanks,

Jesse

	21-01-2004 11:08									#16
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Hey, thanks Jesse for the confirmation. Keep up all the great work and continous communication.

	21-01-2004 15:35									#17
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???

I think you are wrong, JesseSmith.

As far as I can see 1.15 does not include from 1.12:
-Civ3ConquestsEdit.exe
-conquests.biq
-conquests.mb
-jackal.txt (although this one is same as in 1.00 so is not needed)

And from 1.13:
-jgl.dll

And many other things from Conquests folder (inculding 1.12, or maybe 1.02 updated "4 Middle Ages.biq", some updated labels.txt, civiliopedia.txt and PediaIcons.txt files, some scenario specific art files, etc...)


It's easy to text.
Just install the 1.12 patch to some temp folder.
Then install the 1.13 patch to some temp1 folder.
And then install the 1.15 patch to some temp2 folder.

Compare the files, and you'll see the difference.


EDIT:
Although one thing I can say for sure.
If you install only 1.12 and 1.15 then you'll probably get all updates (exempt that jgl.dll, but only Firaxis know is it different in any way).


EDIT2:
This was test about English version only.

	21-01-2004 18:49									#18
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You are correct - the English version posted doesn't include all of the v1.12 files! *sigh*

	21-01-2004 19:39									#19
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quote: Originally posted by JesseSmith You are correct - the English version posted doesn't include all of the v1.12 files! *sigh*

So do we wait untill the official posting at Firaxis to find out how to get the 1.15?

	21-01-2004 19:44									#20
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I strongly think that it is time to start a sticky thread called " 1.15 bugs thread " in order to have a strong official patch at the end of February.

Cheers


Boomer

	21-01-2004 19:56									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Gunter I strongly think that it is time to start a sticky thread called " 1.15 bugs thread " in order to have a strong official patch at the end of February. Cheers Boomer

As far as I know how things work, I don't think that late february official patch would be much different then current beta.

First every patch need to go through strict QA procedure, plus extra delays for translations.

So for patch to be realeased at the end of february it must be completed at least at the end of january.

	21-01-2004 21:18									#22
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quote: Originally posted by player1 As far as I know how things work, I don't think that late february official patch would be much different then current beta. First every patch need to go through strict QA procedure, plus extra delays for translations. So for patch to be realeased at the end of february it must be completed at least at the end of january.

I suspect you are close to reality on your statement,therefore opening such sticky thread it is urgent,only 10 days are remaining


Gunter

	22-01-2004 02:43									#23
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http://www.firaxis.com/downloads_allfiles.cfm

The English version has been updated to include all of the v1.12 files.

	22-01-2004 08:57									#24
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Thanks Jesse.

	22-01-2004 15:30									#25
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@ Jesse / All :

Is the latest 1.15 still open to tiny modifications/fixes if needed ?

If yes, as I presume beeing it a BETA, could it be a good idea to open a thread in order to log 1.15 found bugs ?


Thanks


Gunter

	22-01-2004 16:47									#26
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Jesse is to be commended for his posts here (and on civfanatics). It is rare, but so beneficial to the game's customers, to hear/read the news and views directly from those involved in developing and supporting the product. Clearly it takes a lot of ambiguity and angst out of the beta-patching process when you don't have to wonder about the authenticity of the information.

Similar kudos can be attributed to Soren (amongst others), from whose earlier postings we learned a great deal about the undocumented game mechanics.

Though IMO Firaxis has been deserving of criticism in the past, I also think that Jesse deserves credit for his practice of open communication on these forums.

Many Thanks guys!
-bvc

	23-01-2004 04:40									#27
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Is that link supposed to work?
It doesn't seem to work...must be my cookie settings.

	23-01-2004 04:41									#28
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Ok, now I feel really stupid...the link does work.
DARN

	25-01-2004 14:58									#29
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Bump

This thread should be topped.

E_T

	25-01-2004 18:41									#30
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The English link doesn't work for me either...