19-01-2004 22:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Che is nearing 40, meaning that he probably became politically active/aware around 1980. So he, personally, hasn't seen a Leftward shift in American politics.

True...I didn't take see literaly.

	19-01-2004 22:01									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sava how is what I said "antiBush hating"... I merely described Bush on the political spectrum... and BTW, if it was "anti-Bush hating", I would be someone like Rush Limbaugh bashing liberals.

Got me on that one.

	19-01-2004 22:03									#33
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Well after Dubya I can't see any way things could go more right.

	19-01-2004 22:05									#34
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Right as in correct you mean?

	19-01-2004 22:05									#35
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pah-leeeease... Bush is not "right", he has gone leftest on us... I would of put up with moderate route, but he has pandered to the Dems ever since he got in office.

	19-01-2004 22:06									#36
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as much as democrats and republicans hate each other, if Bush and Gore were sent to Italy or something, they'd be of the same political party.

	19-01-2004 22:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Che is nearing 40,

I think this is the most horrible thing I've ever seen written.

	19-01-2004 22:10									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer as much as democrats and republicans hate each other, if Bush and Gore were sent to Italy or something, they'd be of the same political party.

I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing...

	19-01-2004 22:11									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I think this is the most horrible thing I've ever seen written.

What's so bad about not having died?

	19-01-2004 22:17									#40
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Bi-particianship is a good thing. I don't hate Dems, I respect them, even though they're wrong... and they do the same for me

Micheal Moore is an idiot, not because he does and says what he does, but because he does and says what he does the he does... did that make sense? The moron makes a spectical of himself, points out problems with gov. and indust., and then smiles and gloats like a big fat cow. Bringing attention to an issue is one thing, exploiting the attention of pointing out an an issue is another... This is the same thing many of the conservative talk show dudes do, except that the talk show dudes attempt to hold educated conversations where as MM just yells at the issue.

	19-01-2004 22:19									#41
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Of course one could argue the talk show dudes attempting to hold edcuated conversations part, but for the most part I agree.

	19-01-2004 22:19									#42
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quote: There's nothing "conservative" about Dubya... he's a radical in his use of the military in foreign policy, and he's extremely authoritarian in his views on abortion, gays, and "security". True "conservatives" ideals are in extreme contrast to the people who call themselves conservatives today.

So what then do conservatives value? Abortion as birth control?

	19-01-2004 22:19									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Japher where as MM just yells at the issue. (instead of debating)

Usually because everyone runs away from him and refuses to.

	19-01-2004 22:24									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Japher pah-leeeease... Bush is not "right", he has gone leftest on us... I would of put up with moderate route, but he has pandered to the Dems ever since he got in office.

Comments like that scare the sh1t out of me.

	19-01-2004 22:26									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Japher pah-leeeease... Bush is not "right", he has gone leftest on us... I would of put up with moderate route, but he has pandered to the Dems ever since he got in office.

**** yeah.

Aside from the war on terrorism I see no reason to re-elect him. That, and the fact that the Democratic candidates are even more dismal than he is.

	19-01-2004 22:28									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing...

It would be a bad thing for Italy...

	19-01-2004 22:29									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Micheal Moore is an idiot, not because he does and says what he does, but because he does and says what he does the he does... did that make sense?

Nope. Even after reading it 536 times.

	19-01-2004 22:30									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So what then do conservatives value? Abortion as birth control?

True Conservatives would not seek to use government power to stop abortion. They would campaign to voluntarily stop it... or decrease it's presence by promoting safe sex.

	19-01-2004 22:31									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia **** yeah. Aside from the war on terrorism I see no reason to re-elect him. That, and the fact that the Democratic candidates are even more dismal than he is.

Agreed. Ballooning government, anti-free trade, et.etc.

	19-01-2004 22:32									#50
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I will seriously consider the Dem candidates. I wish the repubs would run some one other than Bush, but that ain't going to happen.

quote: Usually because everyone runs away from him and refuses to.

You would to if some guy with cameras and a loud mouth barged into your office accussing you of killing people. Moore does not encourage conversation. At least conservative radio talk show host encourage it. Though it generally ends with the host yelling "Your wrong, your stupid, get off my show!!!"

quote: Comments like that scare the sh1t out of me.

Why?

	19-01-2004 22:34									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Japher You would to if some guy with cameras and a loud mouth barged into your office accussing you of killing people. Moore does not encourage conversation. At least conservative radio talk show host encourage it. Though it generally ends with the host yelling "Your wrong, your stupid, get off my show!!!"

Don't forget creative editing.

	19-01-2004 22:34									#52
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Comments like that scare the sh1t out of me.

That's because you know little about What Bush has done other than the war on terrorism, which you disagree with.

	19-01-2004 22:35									#53
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quote: Comments like that scare the sh1t out of me.

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Bush has done some things that pander to the center-left. Health care and education being two areas.

But don't confuse our right and left with yours. While similar in some ways, our political scale doesn't translate well into the British or European continental political scale.

	19-01-2004 22:36									#54
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Re Michael Moore, polls would indicate that he has a very small constituency.

	19-01-2004 22:38									#55
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The one thing about Bush that I really dislike is that when he was running for office he said he was going to "cut the fat". Eliminate useless agencies and cut back on government waste. It seems that lasted for all of 6 months:P... Instead we have more waste, more government spending, more useless agencies, and basically more fat across the board. If some Dem promises to do the same thing while taking a more isolationist stand while continuing the war on terror, I'd vote for him/her/it...

	19-01-2004 22:42									#56
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Also his tax cuts were measly.

	19-01-2004 22:57									#57
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Bush is not anti free trade guys, we wouldn't run a 570 BILLION dollar trade deficit were that the case considering the authority the congress has given him(which they shouldn't have...).

	19-01-2004 23:28									#58
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quote: They would campaign to voluntarily stop it... or decrease it's presence by promoting safe sex.

Sava:

So killing babies ought to remain a voluntary exercise? Most conservatives would think the state has a valid reason to intervene.

I agree with your comments on preventation, although I doubt promotion of safe sex will lead to a decrease in abortions.

	19-01-2004 23:34									#59
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quote: I doubt promotion of safe sex will lead to a decrease in abortions.

Yet, we'll never know until it is tried.

I think abortion should be a voluntary exercise, but the government should be putting more effort to encouraging safe sex and/or lack of sex instead of pushing the money into social organizations that mimic Planned Parenthood. All they do is allow the child to get an abortion with any real education or hard lesson.

My concern is not in decreasing abortions, however, it is to decrease teen abortions. I blame the parents, and not the government, but if all the government wants to do is make such programs available than a pox on them!

So, I guess your right Ben. I think the state does have a valid reason to intervene since it is the state that educates and takes care of these children either behind the parents back or at the request of the parents.

	19-01-2004 23:48									#60
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I support abortion simply because there are already too many unwanted kids in the world. Why bring in more?