19-01-2004 22:43									#1
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What would he think of the direction black culture has taken?

"Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." -MLK Jr

King patterned his resistance after Ghandi's non- violence. Yet the culture of violence is now pervasive in black music, and life itself. Gangs, drive by shootings, whatever happened to King's teachings of non-violence? The enemy of black people today seems to be black people. Black on black crime is practicly a daily occurance as gangs such as the 'Bloods' and 'Crypts' carry on their senseless war over 'colors'.

I think MLK Jr would roll over in his grave if he knew what has occured since his death, and that the black community needs another such great man to give it some direction. I don't see leeches such as Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as true leaders that can move their people towards a better, more civilized existance free of hate and fear.

I don't see any of them preaching love any more.

	19-01-2004 22:44									#2
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Problem is the teaching of love is almost nowhere to be seen in any cross section of society world wide.

	19-01-2004 22:50									#3
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He would be dismayed at urban violence, but he would stand with types like Sharpton and Jackson on the Dem's side; but I suspect he would champion more for his own causes than the political goals of people like Al and Jesse.

	19-01-2004 22:51									#4
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More importantly, how would he feel about the direction white society has gone?

	19-01-2004 22:52									#5
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I don't know how King would be able to stand the presence of Al and Jesse.

Vulgar men.

	19-01-2004 22:54									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Verto I don't know how King would be able to stand the presence of Al and Jesse. Vulgar men.

you do realize Jesse was somewhat close to MLK, back in the day... right?

	19-01-2004 22:56									#7
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quote: King patterned his resistance after Ghandi's non- violence. Yet the culture of violence is now pervasive in black music, and life itself. Gangs, drive by shootings, whatever happened to King's teachings of non-violence? The enemy of black people today seems to be black people. Black on black crime is practicly a daily occurance as gangs such as the 'Bloods' and 'Crypts' carry on their senseless war over 'colors'

This is a good post, and very true. I see it every day.

The problem is non-violence doesn't put bread on the table. Areas like Detroit, with large concentrations on African African young folks, simply don't have the local economy and industry like days of old to keep shiftless young black men off the street corner and out of the liquor store.

In turn, the frustation has perpetuated itself in a subculture that advocates just about every form self-destructive behavior there is as a means of gaining "props" or "respect" in the absence of real hope.

King's doctrine opened the door, but the real frustration and hopelessness now stems from a completely different set of problems.

	19-01-2004 22:56									#8
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He'd probably be friends with Ward Connerly

	19-01-2004 22:57									#9
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not really... i may be wrong, but i thought King only knew Jackson for about a year or two before his death.

	19-01-2004 22:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer not really... i may be wrong, but i thought King only knew Jackson for about a year or two before his death.

you are correct...

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quote: King patterned his resistance after Ghandi's non- violence. Yet the culture of violence is now pervasive in black music, and life itself. Gangs, drive by shootings, whatever happened to King's teachings of non-violence? The enemy of black people today seems to be black people. Black on black crime is practicly a daily occurance as gangs such as the 'Bloods' and 'Crypts' carry on their senseless war over 'colors'

this was all a result of the crack epidemic... things have calmed down considerably since then. my generation is quieter.

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quote: my generation is quieter.

you aren't black Speer.

	19-01-2004 23:06									#13
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exactly my point, sava... exactly my point...

despite what your Leftists like to say, black youth, spanish youth, white youth, asian youth... we're all the same in many ways and all different in many ways. the colour of one's skin is insignificant. young black males, young boricua males, young white males, etc. of my generation (17-21 right now) are calmer than our predecessors.

	19-01-2004 23:09									#14
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You know, most of the violent Black music is made for white audiences. It's modern minstral music. Ohh, watch the scary Black person dance for us?

You know, there's a lot more to Black music than hiphop? There's R&B and Gospel, both which have huge followings in the Black community. Just because white folks don't pay attention to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

	19-01-2004 23:10									#15
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oh yeah and despite your best efforts, black people do not live in a box. cities are huge places with many different kinds of people. a spanish drug runner on Third and Dauphin shoots a black mugger who hangs around the store at 12th and Dauphin while they at the club at 8th and Diamond. thats urban violence which doesn't only involve black people.

	19-01-2004 23:12									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer exactly my point, sava... exactly my point... despite what your Leftists like to say, black youth, spanish youth, white youth, asian youth... we're all the same in many ways and all different in many ways. the colour of one's skin is insignificant. young black males, young boricua males, young white males, etc. of my generation (17-21 right now) are calmer than our predecessors.

Give me a break Speer- honestly, you have an extremely narrow view of the world. Also, it's not "spanish" youth but hispanic or latino.

As fgor your generation ebing calmer- good for you, well, actually no, becuase that "calmness" might very well translate into apathy, and keeping the low stations in life you have.

As for Doctor King, I do think he would have been disappointed in modenr America, if only becuase his dream ahs not become truth- when a significant portion of all black men have been in prison, with all the negative effects this has on them like being less likely to be employed, or even loosing the vote, he would be shocked.

	19-01-2004 23:12									#17
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it should be noted that right now, rap music is in a state that critics call "post-gangster" there's non of the NWA-style violence in rap since 97. if we're talking stereotypes, the stereotype of violent rap is dead. now, it's sex and money obsessed rap.

	19-01-2004 23:14									#18
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quote: Also, it's not "spanish" youth but hispanic or latino.

hispanic means of hispania.... hispania=espana=spain... therefore, spanish means of spain which is of hispania. thus, hispanic=spanish.

	19-01-2004 23:18									#19
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quit nit-picking words.

I have no idea what today's youth is into, I do know that they are different, every generation is. The thing to focus on is that which remains the same; the desire to rebel at that age. It is standard issue adolesence. They are different, just like everyone else.

	19-01-2004 23:21									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer despite what your Leftists like to say, black youth, spanish youth, white youth, asian youth... we're all the same in many ways and all different in many ways. the colour of one's skin is insignificant. young black males, young boricua males, young white males, etc. of my generation (17-21 right now) are calmer than our predecessors.

So you're an exception to this "rule", right? Mr "I'm getting a gun"/"Where's my knife?"?

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer hispanic means of hispania.... hispania=espana=spain... therefore, spanish means of spain which is of hispania. thus, hispanic=spanish.

Actually, NO. Spanish is from Spain..but the people you are speaking about are not from Spain. at best they have some spanish blood in them, some of them if they come from mexico, may have none, and if they are black, none as well.

So no, NOT spanish. And this from someone in the community you think you know.

	19-01-2004 23:24									#22
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quote: the desire to rebel at that age. It is standard issue adolesence

i see no rebellion whether among near-adults like me or those a few years younger who are still teenagers. all the girls do is wander around the street, sucking dicks, half of them getting pregnant between 12 and 16. and all the boys do is sit on the stoop or hang around the stores, all in the uniform of long white tee's, smoking weed.

around 17, there's a division where those who are going to be something seem to split from the thugs and whoes but we still see each other everyday and grew up with each other, though one group will be mostly in jail within a year or two while i, and a few others, will be well into college.

but no real rebellion. we don't care enough to rebel. i'm odd in having so much passion sometimes but that's mostly up on here that i'm a rebel.

	19-01-2004 23:27									#23
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quote: So you're an exception to this "rule", right? Mr "I'm getting a gun"/"Where's my knife?"?

it took me a minute to understand what you were trying to say. you think owning a gun is somehow equivalent to you being violent? america is a completely different world than europe then...

my generation is calmer in that you dont see as many people my age selling drugs or getting addicted to drugs as ten years ago... there's not as many drive-bys and random shootings... there's not as much gang violence... gangs as they were in the early 90's are basically dead...

it's a shame but yeah, me needing a weapon to defend myself has nothing to do with violence.

	19-01-2004 23:29									#24
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quote: but no real rebellion. we don't care enough to rebel.

That, in and of it's self, is rebellion.

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i'm talking about ricans, gepap... not mexicans and panamanians...

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quote: because white folks don't pay attention to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And not all white folks ignore gospel music.

	19-01-2004 23:33									#27
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japher...

so instead of being all crazy, chain-smoking crack and shooting each other like the 18 year olds of a few years ago did, we do nothing but hang around, smoke weed, and be fathers at 16? thats our rebellion?

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i'm talking about ricans, gepap... not mexicans and panamanians...

So why the hell then would you use "spanish" when you can use puerto rican? I mean, duh!

I mean, the only saving grace is that you used Boriqua latter on.

	19-01-2004 23:51									#29
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quote: we do nothing but hang around, smoke weed, and be fathers at 16? that’s our rebellion?

your rebellion, as is everyone’s, is 'not caring'. every teenager goes through that point and does something deemed by their generation to be cool or rebellious without giving concern to their own real desires and wishes.

Drugs are one such way to rebel, and has been for some time. While the drug of choice changes from generation to generation and social strata to social strata, it is still a constant. Weed has seem to be the constant there, though LSD arose in the 60s and 70s, coke in the 80s and 90s along with heroing, and now ya all got X and what have ya…

Sex is also another rebellion. Always has been. Only in this day and age kids also decide rebel against protection, and there are alot more diseases out there. Sheesh look at the 60s and 70s if you don’t think free sex is a rebellious attitude.

Gang violence is a rebellion too. Only instead of having greasers or the sharks and jets you have crypts, reds, etc... most of which see rap music as their inspiration, whereas it was rock 'n roll in the 50s... Every generation has a sound track.

Yes, it is all rebellion. I call it that because it is how people find themselves. Through not caring they will certainly find themselves in hard times or bad situations at which time they will look around and remember what really is important to them. Then, they will "conform" and seek out the comforts they once had and lost due to not caring. Those who don't will end up dead or in jail as you said, or living behind the 7-11 mumbling about how the government has screwed them when all along it was that they never learned to care about something. Namely, themselves.

I hold on to my soundtrack from days rebelling and continue to listen to bands that sound similar to those days. I don’t listen to them because I am still that rebellious teen, but because it makes me remember those times. They were fun times, scary times. They were times when I was lost and just didn’t care about anything, because I didn’t realize that I had everything.

The more things change, the more they do stay the same.

	19-01-2004 23:55									#30
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but my generation has toned down the drugs and violence from our predeccessors... and the sex has been a constant. we're like a lite version of the people who are in their early 30's today.