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Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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No a life we can afford to provide him.

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True.

I believe the guy who lives down behind the 7-11 reads a lot of philosophy books... I think I'll ask him what his major was

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I read two books in my second and third terms of university that have been instrumental in forming the person I am today. One was Anne Phillips's "Democracy and Difference", the other was Machiavelli's "Discourses on the last ten books of Titus Livius".

In fact that half-year of university was very formative overall for me- it's also when I started litsening to music seriously.

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P.W. Atkins - "Physical Chemistry"

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'A Brief History of Science'- A. Rupert Hall and Marie Boas Hall

'Guide to Science I and II'- Isaac Asimov

'Europe: A History'- Norman Davies

'The Essential Erasmus'-eh, Erasmus...

The Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary or the Concise Oxford English Dictionary- absolutely vital tools, with entries on neologisms, words from the Commonwealth, words from the United States. If you love language, or English, or both, then a decent comprehensive dictionary is a necessity. I used to like reading the dictionary when I was a child, and I think if you get children interested in words and language at an early age most of your educational tasks have been accomplished- the child will want to read and learn on their own.

Any good quality encyclopaedia- always useful for dipping into at random, and you will never know where an article will take you- an article on Charlemagne's wars against the Lombards and another on Khair ud Din sparked my lifelong interest in history.

A good introduction to Western art history- Thames and Hudson used to publish several general introductions to Western (and Eastern and African art). Get someone intrigued by any aspect of visual art, and they'll rarely be bored on holidays if there's a gallery in the place they're visiting. Feed the eye (and the ear) as well as the brain.

'The Vikings'- Magnus Magnusson

'Ulysses'- James Joyce

'The Greek Myths'- Robert Graves

'Le Morte D'Arthur'- Mallory

'Beowulf' - anonymous

The Authorized Version of the English Bible, translation for King James I and VI- better by far than any modern translation for sheer poetry, vigour and intensity of feeling- along with Jacobean tragedy and Metaphysical poetry one of the abiding legacies of a golden age of literature in English. The passage concerning the death of Absalom could wring tears out of granite.

'The Canterbury Tales'- Geoffrey Chaucer

'Common Sense' and 'The Rights of Man'- Thomas Paine

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"Science will get you a job, but philosophy will get you a life"

A life you can't afford


Really, I don't see anyone shifting philosophy jobs off to South Asia.

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PJ O Rourke, All the trouble in the world.

Umberto Eco, Name of the Rose and Foucaults Pendulum.

Daniel Boorstin, The Discoverers/Creators
Norman Cantor, Civilization in the Middle Ages.
William Shirer, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
Several of Bob Woodward's books

Cant think of any others...

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No book makes one smarter. at best they either are incredably informative, or they give you a brand new perpective.

Of those kinds of books, none stand out becuase there have been so many.

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No one has listed "The Art of War"

I found it very entertaining with a few real good concepts.

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Long list.

right know I'm plowing through Bernard Cornwall, but that's more for pleasure than for enlightenment.

Books that I think should be added, Ivan Denisovich, Things Fall Apart, Brave New World, Crime and Punishment, Grapes of Wrath, Fahrenheit 451.

Now, if you want specifically Christian books, I have torn apart my copy of Mere Christianity, by CS Lewis.

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P.W. Atkins - "Physical Chemistry"


I read that one. R u a girl?

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her name's Ingrid.

girl + physics =

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UGH!! and no one has said das kapital? why not, but then, i havnt read to many books like that...

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Oscar Wilde - Salome
William S. Burroughs - the Western Lands

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"Smarter", Commie, not "more inclined to intellectual delusions." That was last months thread.

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her name's Ingrid.

girl + physics =


Damn feriner, physical chemistry is not physics.

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I'll second Roberts' History of the World.

Guns Germs & Steel by Diamond

Lucifer Principle by Bloom

Brief History of Time by Hawking

and some good autobiographies which have left me with a kind of "what if ___ were here now" appreciation for a few people... More than one by physicist Richard Feynman (not books about physics, just anecdotes from his life). Also numerous musicians, Miles Davis comes to mind.

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And they really can't on their own unless you are an autodidact. In many of the books I listed you will be lucky to get the most important themes from them if you merely pick them off the shelf. The trick is to be able to fit them into a historical pattern and a broad base of ideas.

That's why people like me have jobs.


Not absolutely. Being autodidact has its advantages, once you reach the point you can draw a basic picture of the human adventure. Semiology spreading to many disciplines being a good example.

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My vote would have to go to "The Power Of Myth", which is more of a transcript than a book, really.... but still, it's packed with stimulating bits and observations put forth by Joseph Campbell. It didn't make me any smarter, obviously, but it did get my little brain a-moving... I mean, really moving... for perhaps the first time, I'd say.

Even if you don't agree with his theories, I'd reccommend it. It's a short read and packed with goodies.

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I can't remember the title, but I'm sure it had "A, B, C" or "D!ck and Jane" in it.

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Free to Choose.

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Achebe's? Yep, that's a good book.

Non-fiction:
-Last Chance to See by Douglas Adams
-1066 and All That by Sellar and Yeats
-Colin McEvedy's historical atlases
-Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
-Will to Power by Friedrich Nietszche
-Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Carl Sagan

Fiction:
-The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy in Five Parts by Douglas Adams
-Distress by Greg Egan
-Diaspora by Greg Egan (a bit inaccessible)
-The Science of Discworld by Terry Pratchett
-The Scar by China Mieville
-Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
-Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll
-Red Mars or Years of Rice and Salt by Kim Stanley Robinson

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The Story of Civilization vol. 1-11, Will and Ariel Durant.

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The nutritional facts on the back of Star Wars Episode II cereal.

Oh, The Gospel of John, The Gospel of Thomas, and A People's History of the United States by Tim Zahn, and a few other books that are of no interest to most here.

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The Power of Myth is quite amazing

as is "Surely You're Joking, Mr.Feynman".

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No one has listed "The Art of War"

I found it very entertaining with a few real good concepts.


And thus, Rah mistakenly reveals his secret plans for world domination so that he can level all cities into extravagant golf courses.

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I used to like Alfred Hitchcock and the Three Investigators.


I had a couple of those.

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Things Fall Apart

Achebe's? Yep, that's a good book.

-Catch-22 by Joseph Heller


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This is the only answer. Thread over.

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Thanks everybody. I'll be doing a bit of research on some of all these books tonight and try to make up my mind.

 
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