04-02-2001 00:27									#1
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I'm just taking a break from things online for a week. I'll be on ICQ, but I won't be able to talk much or send in Diplomacy orders.

Please find temporary replacements for my game(s) until I return.

When I return I'll also post the Shogun results, as it seems I can finally post here again.

	04-02-2001 02:14									#2
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Do you know if Coug's going to give Fjorxc (see, its F-j-o-r-x-c) moderator powers for BNG in your absence?

	04-02-2001 03:37									#3
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Coug is missing.

And I may still participate in BNG this week.

I have no clue why you posted that here though.

	04-02-2001 05:53									#4
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Sometimes I post irrelevant things when I get bored.... But they still have to be partially on-topic... And I want to see BNG live...

	04-02-2001 06:18									#5
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We had 50 some threads in a few days. We're doing well.

	04-02-2001 08:12									#6
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Now, to get past the critical stage of 1 month. Generally, if a forum can survive 1 month with steady posting it will continue to grow and thrive....

BTW Polaris, once I'm done the Military Encyclopedia an the OoB, I'm going to write up some information on the biology of the races I control and a bit of "history". Could you kindly put that up on the race webpage when I'm done? Thanks.

	06-02-2001 01:28									#7
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Polaris,
It is not the responsibility of the GM to find your replacement cause you need some kind of break. It is your responsibility, our responsibility is to keep the game going at any cost and I will keep Domaination going, however I don't know if you will like the outcome of your situation.
Find replacements before you leave, at least give it an attempt.

	06-02-2001 02:09									#8
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Or you can learn one of the more important things about Diplomacy: it is a game.

There is absolutely no reason to get upset over it.

I'll find a replacement.

	06-02-2001 02:15									#9
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Yes, it is a game, I'm upset over your blantant disregard for other people. A lot of these players spend time and energy playing and a players irresponsible actions cause them grief and frustration, not to mention the GM. When you signed for the game you made a committment, all I'm asking is you live up to your end.
If you don't want to be in this game, tell me now and I will look for a permanent replacement.

	06-02-2001 03:41									#10
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I reckon it says gone for a week. So that means a week.

	06-02-2001 18:54									#11
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Polaris,
Domination moves are due this Friday the 9th at 11:59PM CST, either put them in or have somebody do it, if I don't receive them by then I will find somebody or make up the moves or myself. If I find someone or do it myself there is always that chance that we could screw up some of your plans if we are not aware of them. As much as you posted already here, I don't see much problem in handing in your moves.

	06-02-2001 19:22									#12
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Defiant's got you there. Anyway, testing to see if I can post..

	07-02-2001 07:05									#13
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	07-02-2001 08:40									#14
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Instead of wasting your time posting complaints about how people are treating you, I suggest you use your time more wisely and make up a quick set of moves.

You have consistently shown a disrespectful attitude to the Apolyton Diplomacy community over the last few months. What you seem to be unable to realize is that Diplomacy, this "cult" that you joined, requires cooperation and committment from all people--players, GMs, and mapmakers alike. You have shown neither.

We play this game because it provides us entertainment. It is not a fantasy world or a means for us to release our megalomaniacial desires. There are real people out there with real lives which include the Internet. Yes, it is a game, but it's not the type which you can walk in and out at your own whim. If you join a game, you are expected to stay for the long-term.

Vacations are allowed, of course - we all get away from the computer every now and then. However, when that happens, it's our responsibility to turn in orders anyway, even orders that are two turns in advance, as well as find a replacement player for extended absences. It is not, and never has been, the GM's responsibility. It's your nation, after all.

I think I can speak for everybody here when I say that I am fed up with your blatant disregard for this community as well as your negative attitude. It seems like you have no fun in this game. Already, many GM's here (including me) would be hard-pressed to accept you into a game, and many players would be wary before joining one of the games that you GM. You need to decide whether you are in or out--Apolyton doesn't appreciate players who are in perpetual limbo.

	07-02-2001 18:37									#15
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Polaris,
I couldn't say it any better than Lordstone and he is correct in all his assumptions. It is a GAME but one that requires committment above all, if you want to get away fromt the computer, fine, but find a replacement or sent in the moves early, vast majority of other people do.

I'm taking your last statement as you are out. Fine, I will find a permanent replacement for you. As a point of record I don't want you signing for any more of my games that I GM, for you will not be accepted and I won't join any of your games. Until you show more responsibility I suggest you stick to your stories part.

Hope you enjoy your time away from the computer.

	08-02-2001 01:34									#16
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	08-02-2001 01:43									#17
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Polaris,
You give about a 1-2 MONTH deadline, ie(Shogun) and whatever other game you have. Don't put this on my back, you ask any other exjperienced dipper who's responsibility it is for seeking replacements and they will all answer the nation's leader.
You're very good at putting blame on other people, you don't personally know slick Willy by chance, do you?

	08-02-2001 05:37									#18
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I don't disregard the Apolyton Diplomacy community. I've created five stable variants for the community to play, and I've played shorter than probably any other people here besides the incoming rookies. That shows my committment.

I've already had one pissing match with you Polaris and don't feel like having another one, but one comment. Commitment is not measured by number of variants created. Commitment is getting moves in on time most of the time as a player, and keeping a game moving if a GM. It's something you can't really buy, except with a lot of generally unblemished time.

	08-02-2001 05:40									#19
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	08-02-2001 08:24									#20
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Then maybe you should just stick to making variants from now on.

And if your week just started now, why did you fail to turn in orders like, yesterday or the day before? It's been 4 days. Surely you could have made up some moves for your games allowing them more time to find a replacement (whose responsibility isn't theirs, it's yours).

	08-02-2001 18:42									#21
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Polaris,
That is about the most ridiculous argument I ever heard, and from a supposed educated individual. I am lucky to be in games with a GM, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT, NO GM. In the case of your games how lucky are we to be in the game if it never finishes, how lucky are we then. As for computers, believe it or not we still played Diplomacy via board game or the old form of media, the mail. Acutally, playing by US Postal Service is probably quicker then playing one of your games through a computer.
I don't think you want to continue this pissing war, you are just digging yourself a deeper hole.
Spend your time off wisely, take a logic class.

	09-02-2001 00:52									#22
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	09-02-2001 01:04									#23
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Polaris,
If your mother is ill, I hope she gets better, honestly. But that is no excuse for you, in the US everybody does have a postal account, you have to by law, except for the homeless and they are not a part of this community. As for computers, board games, anybody involved in this gaming community does have it. As for you GM'ing a game, that is a joke, you have never finished GM'ing a game how nice is that, you will do the builds when you want to, you have proven your irresponsibilty over and over again. You were nice enough to GM a game, how about you finish one for once, try that on for size.
If your mother is ill maybe you should back out of Apolyton all together until she is better, no game or thread is worth sacrificing time with your mother if she is in dire straits. And if that was the problem you should have told us that ahead of time, then we would be more apt to help you or look out for you until you could return.

	09-02-2001 01:49									#24
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Polaris, this is really becoming a tired theme with you. Somehow everyone, save you, is responsibile for your duties. And there's always a catastrophic excuse for why you can't accept that responsibilty. Frankly I don't believe these excuses anymore.

You have the time to engage in lengthy pissing contests with people over the umpteenth delay and/or abandonment at your hands. In fact you seem to be ready respond immediately to any and all comments concerning the subject, not to mention all this activity on these illustrious story forums. And yet you can't take a few minutes to submit your orders (Domination, Seismic) or revise the maps (Shogun, etc.). Somehow the excuses ring hollow.

I think you really need to examine your decision to take up on-line Diplomacy as a hobby. One one hand you have a real imaginative, and creative talent. And with experience, I think you could be a great game designer. However, you also hold the essential values of Diplomacy players everywhere in utter contempt. It creates a frustrating paradox for those of us involved in your games.

My frustration with you has peaked. I will not participate in anymore of your variants, nor any games that you are a player in. Furthermore I will encourage all players at ADC to do the same. I call on LordStone as ADC president, and distinguished members like SnowFire and Defiant who have also spoken here on the matter to do the same. It is my recommendation that you be expelled from the club for a least 30 days, and only permitted to reenter upon after a period of reflection, the issuance of an apology to club members, and a promise to play responsibly and at a managable level on a trial basis. I also ask you to consider this out of respect to the rest of us, who enjoy the hobby and want to see it continue without interuption.

	09-02-2001 02:12									#25
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Regretably and unfortunately I have to agree with Ruff's disciplinary action request. I don't claim to be above anybody else or have the right to kick them out, I don't even like the idea, however we must think of the other players who depend on Polaris as a GM or a player. Italy(Domination) had allies and enemies and plans I'm sure for all. Now that Eli has taken his position all those plans have to be re-established and hopefully for all interested parties the plans leave off where the were. It is a lot of extra work that did not have to happen. Same thing happened in Seismic where WarVoid took over, it really disrupts the game and we all know it is just a game. But a friend of mine who plays here said that he uses this time for relaxation and entertainment which we all need as humans or we will go nuts. But what R & R can come from this when more frustration sets in due to the irresponsibility of others when they are depended on.
Same is true when he GM's, he has outstanding game ideas and imagination but what good are they if we can not finish a game or it is disrupted as his leisure, he has a responsibility to others as well as himself and family members.
Maybe the 30 days will let him get done what needs to get done at his personal level.
Then if he wants to come back in we let him at a minimal level, GM one game or be in one game and see how he reacts. This is just my opinion.

Lordstone you are the boss and maybe we should hear from you on this matter.

Remember, Ruff was right a while ago when he said we need to turn the reputation of Apolyton around, we have the rep of being slackers, never following through with games. Here is a chance for us to start clearing our name, if we care. I think in the past year Apolyton Dip has been turning around, Snowfire and Victor have the points updated, Ruff has the who's who on the responsibility board updated and we are finishing games, but we still need to do better. We have new members, Eli, Siro and Yoav and others, what kind of example are we setting if we can't control this site. We must give them reasons to want to join us and others also. We have a hard time filling a 14 man roster, we should have no problem doing that.
Sorry for the length.

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	09-02-2001 04:08									#26
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I had a huge post here, but it doesn't matter. Of course, all the Dip freaks wish to know is that my break will be much longer than a week, if you can call it a break. And that now my undeveloped creativity RUFFHAUS speaks of will now be developed away from ACD, and at a new community. I know to not ever GM a game again, so I won't. But you've just lost a player, or a mind, for this community. I refuse to make and develop variants and creativity for this community any longer. In other words, no 30-day ban, because I no longer play or GM in any game. Good riddance.
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	09-02-2001 04:31									#27
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BYE,BYE!


Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

	09-02-2001 08:04									#28
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Bye bye. You won't be missed.

I propose that Polaris be dishonorably discharged from the Apolyton Diplomacy Club, and that a full list of his wrongdoings be entered into record. I submit my own entry:

-Failure to fullfill duties as Turkey in San Andreas Diplomacy.

Perhaps future generations will view upon his record and know precisely what NOT to do.