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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:33
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Suburbanites tend to talk through their nose a little, giving them a honkey sound. |
yeah okay, honkey. you may sound like that (and hence, you're a honkey) but thats not the true origin...
really honkey comes from hunky or hungarian. blacks must have heard anglo-americans referring to hungarians as hunkies and used it for all whites.
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:33
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I wonder why it's OK to say "honky" but not the n-word that looks alot like the country Niger.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:33
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When I've asked Blacks folks about it, its because we sound funny. |
speak for yourself...
and any event, what the hell kind of proff is this? I've asked Black folks about it... do you realize how incredibly racist you sound? I've asked Black folks... god damn you're a ****ing racist.
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It makes little sense that Black people would refer to all whites as Hungargians, an extremely small group of white people in the US. |
why did medieval Arabs refer to all Europeans as Franks (French)? Asians are all Chinese... Ethiopian, Nubian, and Mandingo are synonymous with African...
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Who said it's okay?
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Well apolyton for one because it doesnt asterisk it out.
I'm sure the person who used it thinks its OK or he wouldn't have posted it.
But mostly, I havnt seen anyone object to it. I am sure if someone had used the other term in the same context (as a racial slur) they would be deemed a racist by multiple posters and maybe even banned from the site.
I am against all racism. One of the problems in America is we seem only to focus on one form of it. And quite often the proposed solution to that form of racism is another form of racism.
Even if it were possible, what could be more racist then to setup a program where all of Race A (simply because they are Race A) gives Race B money based on an injustice that not one living person has anything to do with.
I thought we were trying to judge people by the content of thier character not the color of thier skin.
Last edited by Deity Dude on 22-01-2004 at 23:57
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Deity Dude
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Who said it's okay?
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Well apolyton for one because it doesnt asterisk it out. |
Bullshit. You'll notice the word bullshit isn't asterisked out. Guess what, there are plenty of words and insults that make it through the censors because there are so damn many of them.
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But mostly, I havnt seen anyone object to it. I am sure if someone had used the other term in the same context (as a racial slur) they would be deemed a racist by multiple posters and maybe even banned from the site. |
Maybe if we felt insulted by it, we might object. Frankly, it doesn't carry the same epthet as nigger (<--look, not blocked out). The latter word carries with it, when used by whites, inferioty, powerlessness, subhuman, lazy, etc. Honkey? Hell, that just makes me laugh. So does cracker and Mr. Charlie. Hell, I don't even know how that last one is an insult, but it is.
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I am against all racism. One of the problems in America is we seem only to focus on one form of it. And quite often the proposed solution to that form of racism is another form of racism. |
It seems that you don't really know what racism is. Racism is a system of oppression, not merely discrimination based on race. I don't have to like you, but if I don't have the power to make my dislike of you manifest, it's meaningless.
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Even if it were possible, what could be more racist then to setup a program where all of Race A (simply because they are Race A) gives Race B money based on an injustice that not one living person has anything to do with. |
Like most people who think they aren't racist, they ignore Jim Crow, America's apartheid (actually, apartheid was based on Jim Crow). It was only Forty years ago that our parents generation oppressed Black people in this country, legally. I hope you don't sugfgest that there is no one over forty alive today.
Anyway, reparations aren't about giving Black folks checks. It's about setting up programs to help them overcome the lasting efects of America's racism.
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Deity Dude
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Westland, Michigan
Aug 2000
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Maybe if we felt insulted by it, we might object. Frankly, it doesn't carry the same epthet as nigger (<--look, not blocked out). The latter word carries with it, when used by whites, inferioty, powerlessness, subhuman, lazy, etc. Honkey? Hell, that just makes me laugh. So does cracker and Mr. Charlie. Hell, I don't even know how that last one is an insult, but it is. |
First of all, who is the"we" you refer too. Just because you read one connotation into one word and a different one into another word doesn't mean it is so.
This is the type of the thing you and I will always disagree about :
I think all racial slurs are wrong and should be equally condemned or ignored or maybe even laughed at depending on the context.
You think certain ones are "funny" and others are criminal no matter what. You make this decision based soley on the race of the person making the insult and the person receiving it.
What could be more racist then to say its "funny" if Race A uses racial slurs towards Race B but its a "hate-crime" if Race B does it to Race A.
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It seems that you don't really know what racism is. Racism is a system of oppression, not merely discrimination based on race. I don't have to like you, but if I don't have the power to make my dislike of you manifest, it's meaningless. |
I think your definition is one of many definitions and would best be described as "institutionalized racism"
If a person of RACE A walked around with a sign that read "ALL PERSONS OF RACE B SHOULD DIE" I'm sure that most would agree that
a) That person was probably a racist
even though
b) He probably couldn't manifest his feelings towards RACE B
You would probably say it depended on the race of the signholder.
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Like most people who think they aren't racist, they ignore Jim Crow, America's apartheid (actually, apartheid was based on Jim Crow). It was only Forty years ago that our parents generation oppressed Black people in this country, legally. I hope you don't sugfgest that there is no one over forty alive today.
Anyway, reparations aren't about giving Black folks checks. It's about setting up programs to help them overcome the lasting efects of America's racism. |
You might find this hard to believe, but I don't support Jim Crow laws or Apartheid. On the contrary I am opposed to them. I am opposed because the theory behind those laws is that a person's race should be used as a determining factor in how that person is treated. I prefer a color-blind society where a person's race is as important as thier eye-color.
You seem to want to put people into groups. Then you want to be outraged when one group attempts to dominate the other. Then you want to solve the problem by taking from one group and giving to the other. Then you wonder why the two groups might have problems getting along.
I think I'd rather judge people as the individuals they are and not by thier race or whatever other group you decide to put them in.
Put another way, and much more eloquent then I ever could, Judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin.
Anyways, I'm sure now you'll tell me how your decision-making based on race isn't racism and that my total indifference to a person's race is racist.
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22-01-2004 22:36
Do you work hard at being so dumb?
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