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Ohio Senate Approves Gay-Marriage Ban
1 hour, 22 minutes ago


By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Lawmakers gave final approval Wednesday to a measure banning gay marriage and prohibiting state employees from getting benefits for domestic partners.


The bill is considered among the most far-reaching in the nation because of the benefits ban, which applies to unmarried heterosexual and homosexual couples.


The Senate passed the legislation on an 18-15 vote Wednesday. The House has already approved the bill and Gov. Bob Taft has said he will sign it, pending a legal review.


The measure says same-sex marriages are "against the strong public policy of the state," and aims to counter a 1934 U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruling requiring states to recognize marriages from other states in most circumstances.


Thirty-seven states have passed laws recognizing marriage as a sacrament between men and women.


Ohio is the second state, after Nebraska, that would prohibit benefits for state employees' unmarried partners, said Seth Kilbourn, national field director for the Human Rights Campaign, a Washington-based gay and lesbian lobbying group.


Ohio lawmakers struggled with the issue for seven years, when then-Rep. Jay Hottinger introduced a bill in the House. Hottinger, now a senator, said the bill was not an attack on homosexuals but rather meant to protect a traditional definition of marriage.


"Ohio must be able to clearly establish and define our own laws rather than have another state or country define something as important as marriage," said Hottinger, a Republican.


Sen. Eric Fingerhut, a Cleveland Democrat, said the bill will hurt Ohio by limiting the ability of businesses and universities to attract talented people.


"If we pass this bill, get up tomorrow and look in the mirror," Fingerhut said. "Smiling back at you is someone who has slowed Ohio's progress by putting up a sign to people that says, 'We don't want you here.'"


The vote came despite opposition by some large companies. Dayton-based NCR Corp. sent a letter to lawmakers Dec. 12 saying the bill could hurt the company's ability to attract and retain employees.


Similar bills have been introduced in each session since Hottinger first introduced the legislation. But former Senate President Richard Finan, a Republican, blocked its passage. He said state law already took care of the matter.

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While I do agree that the FMA is unlikely to soil the US Constitution any time soon, I don't believe it even needs to in order to illicit the desired effect. It merely encourages and energizes the assh*les who promote this kind of legislated hate at the state level.

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This isn't rolling back any rights; it's just codifying the status quo.

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The measure says same-sex marriages are "against the strong public policy of the state,"


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Hottinger, now a senator, said the bill was not an attack on homosexuals


I call BS.

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Man, this isn't what we need right now.

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the forces of the right are amassing in ohio for their massive frontal attack on the forces of the left, which are amassing in the american northeast.

the climactic battle will take place in adams county, pennsylvania, and much blood will be spilt.

we ride at dawn, boys, to war.

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My wife hails from Ohio and remembers the days of close mindedness she grew up with there. Initially both being extremely homophobic small towners we have since amended our ways.

It comes as no surprise to me that this came from Ohio.

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If I ever move to Ohio, I'm going to have wild sex on their senate floor.

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make it as offensive as possible, asher. not only have wild sex on the senate floor, but invite all your friends and have a wild orgy with animal sex.

actually, just get furries to go have a yiff on their senate floor, and tell anybody who cherishes their sanity to flee an area of about 1000 miles.

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If I ever move to Ohio, I'm going to have wild sex on their senate floor.


Me too, but only with a hot chick.

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make it as offensive as possible, asher. not only have wild sex on the senate floor, but invite all your friends and have a wild orgy with animal sex.

actually, just get furries to go have a yiff on their senate floor, and tell anybody who cherishes their sanity to flee an area of about 1000 miles.


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Well, I was born and raised in Ohio ... Glad I'm no longer an Ohioan.

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The marriage man isn't so surprising, but the benefits ban for domestic partners is a real kick in the teeth.

Meh, Ohio's looking more and more like an industrial backwater. Just another way to drive away big companies.

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Doesn't Colorado have a similar ban? I could be wrong...

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.


Yes, our fine sycophants decided what's best for us.

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Meanwhile...

Good, God-fearing heterosexuals, who can do no wrong, continue to shower the Institution of Marriage with dignified reverence:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto.../en_tv_eo/13305
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(Yes, I will be posting this in the SOTU thread.)

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.

Yes, it really is atrocious when the parliament twice makes a decision in favor of gays.

It kind of makes me wish the parliament was elected by the people, you know?

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May Ohio nuke itself.

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If I ever move to Ohio, I'm going to have wild sex on their senate floor.


That sort of thing would get me to watch C-SPAN

*realizes what he just said*

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.


There's always Ohio for you, Ben.

Plenty of Amish people there, too, that live back in the time of the Old Testament

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.


I must have missed the news that the Liberal Party has banned elections.

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There's always Ohio for you, Ben.

Plenty of Amish people there, too, that live back in the time of the Old Testament


Not anymore than it is with Hasidic Jewish peoples. The Amish are stuck in a century that very definitely post-dates the Old and New Testaments.

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Actually, the Amish are closely related to the Mennonites. Just a stricter interpretation on seperating oneself from the world.

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Yes, it really is atrocious when the parliament twice makes a decision in favor of gays.


They have yet to affirm gay marriage.

There's a big difference between making a decision that gay people like, and between affirming gay marriage.

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Actually, the Amish are closely related to the Mennonites. Just a stricter interpretation on seperating oneself from the world.


*** Napoleon thinks about moving to Ohio ***

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.


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The Catholic school, which encourages its students to live according to Gospel values, is none too happy with Coy's willingness to get hitched on TV for a million bucks, per local papers.


From the link.

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Just because other people like to beat up strangers, does it mean you should go in and join them?

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Yep, that describes your efforts to defend your bigotry to a "t." Not long and you'll round out the "r" and "y" too.

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Every time I hear about a state passing one of these laws, I think about that governor shouting "segregation now ... segregation forever".

These guys are saying the same thing and will be remembered the same way.

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At least in the US the people have a say, unlike here in Canada.


(1) How about the principle of "mind your own ****ing business"? I don't want "the people" having a say in who I (or anyone else) marry. No, really. Mind your own ****ing business. You shouldn't get a damn say.

(2) Amend your constitution to prohibit it. If the people really feel that strongly it should be no problem. My guess is that "the people" really don't care overall - their minding their own business (see (1) above).

 
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