24-01-2004 09:11									#1
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Well, the last game finished rather quickly, and I didn't get enough time to enjoy being a GM. So, you get stuck with me for another round.

A couple things I wanted to clear up while we are at it, though.

First, what did people think about the background story? Should I put in the time for the next game to come up with something, or did it not add too much? Put the response to that into the poll please.

Secondly. I declare a new set of rules for the next game. The changes aren't great, but I'd like to run them by folks before we get going:

1. No more two-round rule! Having people vote for someone they don't think is the Mafia just to make a tie is artificial and not much fun, IMO.

2. When there is a tie, I will kill both contenders. Be they innocent, or the Mafia, I don't care. All the tied folks will die. (The reason, again, is I greatly dislike the recent tend of people going: "Ooh, let's make a tie, so that we could figure out who the Mafia is by seeing who is let to live!" )

It seems, however, that we might have a problem here that all the games would be too short. Indeed, both of these rules were made to make the games last longer. Any suggestions on what alternatives we could implement? (Well, I was thinking about one before: anybody who mentions the word "tie" in the thread dies immediately, regardless of the reasons for mentioning that word, but then I thought it might be a little too much. )

	24-01-2004 09:14									#2
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Okay, now on to the roster:

1. - Zopperoni
   
2. - GhengisFarb
   
3. - rah
   
4. - MattH
   
5. - Jon Miller
   
6. - Guynemer
   
7. - HongHu
   
8. - Comrade Tassadar
   
9. - Hercules
   
10. - Pave
    
11. - ADG
    
12. - alva
    
13. - Kassiopeia
    
14. - Spiffor
    
15. - Jamski
    
16. - Nikolai
    
17. - Osweld
    
18. - Jonny
    
19. - Vlad Antlerkov
    
20. - Drogue
    
21. - Skanky Burns
    
22. -
    

Sign up now! The spots go quickly.

Last edited by vovan on 25-01-2004 at 09:53

	24-01-2004 09:25									#3
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If you implement rule 1, then there is no incentive for people to attempt to create ties. Thus no real need for rule 2.
While I would prefer a tie to be settled by the roll of a dice (so to speak), its likely that rules for handling this situation will be largely acedemic. I doubt ties will feature much.

Regardless, I'm in this game.

	24-01-2004 09:25									#4
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Can I sign up twice? Maybe that way one of me will survive until the we get the Mafia.

	24-01-2004 09:27									#5
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Oh, and the background story is great.
I like how the existing "roles" people played (me being a bartender, Rah the innkeeper, etc) were preserved in the expanded version. They were well-written too, always a good thing. Keep it up.

	24-01-2004 09:28									#6
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I loved the backstory.

However, if you must give clues, try to err on the side of obscure. Having the first victim get his head bashed in with a hammer is a bit of a tipoff towards the village blacksmith. (I was a dead man either way, but just for the sake of keeping the game going this time.)

	24-01-2004 09:32									#7
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Oh, and I completely agree with the elimination of the two round rule.

However, I don't think ties should result in both people getting axed; people will still try to manipulate the ties in order to double the chance that the Mafia is killed.

I think it would be interesting to have a secret PM ballot. People could still post in the thread and say "I vote for such-and-such because blah blah blah," but in reality their real PM vote went to so-and-so. Obviously, you would only present the final vote tally, and not enumerate each individual vote.

	24-01-2004 09:37									#8
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Yeah... Sorry, Guynemer... I kinda realized I may have not thought the kills through well enough... Problem was: when I wrote the first kill, I was thinking rather about a carpenter's hammer.

Something like this:



I hadn't even thought about the possibility of people associating it with the blacksmith.... I'll try to be more careful next time.

	24-01-2004 09:39									#9
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Bah, don't sweat it. Like I told you in the PM even before the game started, I figured I was a dead man.

	24-01-2004 09:47									#10
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I'll sign.

	24-01-2004 11:02									#11
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sign up

Jon Miller

	24-01-2004 15:15									#12
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I'm in too

	24-01-2004 15:16									#13
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Sign me in.

	24-01-2004 15:21									#14
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And a full support for the backgound story and for the elimination of the two-round rule.

	24-01-2004 16:10									#15
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Background story

Sign me up

	24-01-2004 16:28									#16
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What ADG said

	24-01-2004 16:34									#17
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Oh, I'm definitely in.

Backstory and nuking the two round rule

	24-01-2004 16:38									#18
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4 spots left... They go very quickly.

	24-01-2004 16:43									#19
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8 hours since this thread was started, and almost already filled

	24-01-2004 17:28									#20
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The background story is great

And the rules are fine by me.

	24-01-2004 19:14									#21
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The background stroy is great

And the rules are very fine.

Sign me up!

	24-01-2004 19:16									#22
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Sign me in too! We can take more people if there's a chance that more than one gets killed off at a time.

Me toooo!

-Jam

	24-01-2004 21:44									#23
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I really anjoyed the background story! I agree with the rule changes too, and to make a longer game; if we are around 16-18 or more, have two Mafias.

Oh, and sign me in!

	24-01-2004 21:51									#24
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Yeah I like the idea of two Mafias, but don't tell them who they are, then one of em might accidently kill the other off.

	24-01-2004 22:01									#25
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Any support for real balloting by PM, but campaigning here in the thread?

	24-01-2004 22:08									#26
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I'll play.

	24-01-2004 22:14									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yeah I like the idea of two Mafias, but don't tell them who they are, then one of em might accidently kill the other off.

That might be difficult. If they don't know who the other is, there will be two killings each night. Then we need more people, or the game will be over very soon. I think it is better that they know each other and must agree on who to kill. BTW, it's nothing against sacrificing one of the Mafias, if they want so, but it is risky. I'm sure there will be situations that can be smart though.

	24-01-2004 22:16									#28
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They could alternate kills. The GM might have to remind one of the Mafiosi that it's "his turn".

	24-01-2004 22:17									#29
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1 main mafia (the man) who orders the killings and who knows who the other mafia is and 1 helper (who takes over if the main mafia gets killed)

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I already sugested secret voting, didn't get enough support back then.

EDIT: added some missing words

Last edited by alva on 25-01-2004 at 13:54

	24-01-2004 22:50									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Then we need more people, or the game will be over very soon.

I don't think more people will be a problem, besides theres always a chance they will kill each other off.

If we need more people we could say the dead people are replaced by a relative, like Skanky would be replaced by Skanky Jr. Then they have to kill us off twice.