29-07-2000 13:26									#1
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I have a size 5 city with a temple, a marketplace and 3 trade routes. I'm in demo, have JSB and there are no units supported by the city in the field. The city won't celebrate, even with lux at 40%. I can only get two happies, why?

In another city I take a worker off a mountain. It produces a shield only. I get an Elvis and a happy face less. Why?

Finally, I want to play MP over a LAN. I have a desktop and a laptop. How do I do? Do I need a serial cable? Anything else? How do I get the computers on speaking terms?

Edited part: The size 5 city produces 33 trade and have no trade specials.

Thanks,

Carolus

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	30-07-2000 01:58									#2
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Is this from the other night, Carolus? Not content with your 400 gold caravans, and tons of techs??? I dunno...

It sounds very strange for that size 5 town not celebrating... a few q's tho... how many luxs does that town make? Is there enough food for it to grow? Why are your surprises always to my detriment?

For your other city, taking the worker from a mountain and making a Elvis..... did the mountain have gold, or something?!!?

To play a network game of civ in Win95/98 you need both computers connected by ethernet cables [and terminated] or RJ45 cables. Have TCP, IPX/SPX and NetBieu protocols installed.... erm, aswell as network cards installed, and properly setup

I have it running at work, it is cool, I play all.... I mean, work all day

Hope this helps,
Eddy

[edited for spelling ]
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	30-07-2000 02:26									#3
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Yes it is from last night!

Let me see... 33 trade with 30% luxuries' rate equals 10 lux (or should 9.9 be rounded down to 9?). Marketplace bonus means 15 lux (not sure about this one!)?

True, food is needed for the city to grow but it doesn't influence the number of happy faces. Cities with a food deficit can still celebrate, but won't grow. I can't get the city to celebrate...

No gold in that mountain, the square produced a shield only.

Thanks for the tip on setting up a LAN, but can you please elaborate? Imagine you're explaining it to a 7 year old...

Ethernet cables? Terminated? RJ45 cables? Not to mention the protocols???

HELP!

Carolus

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	30-07-2000 02:40									#4
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Gee CR... It's nice to see that there are other techno idiots out there!

There is no way that that city shouldn't be in massive celebration. My first thought was that you didn't have any good trade squares... but if it has that much trade, I have no clue what the problem is. Maybe the civ gods just don't like you

	30-07-2000 02:57									#5
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Explaining to a 7 year old.... hmmmm

Sit down Carolus, pay attention, stop fidgeting, stop watching the television, stop picking your nose, etc, etc!

LAN - Local Area Network

PC + Laptop + 2 Network cards in each + 1 ethernet cable [thick black cable] + 2 terminators at both ends = LAN

Once you have both network cards installed, with proper drivers, both working, then we may begin.

You will now notice a new icon on your desktop, this is Network Neighbourhood. If not, you done somethink wrang, Mr!

Right click on this and select properties. [Same as control panel, network properties] but quicker. You should see your network card here, with TCP protocol installed already. Click on [add]then [protocols] then TCP/IPX, then repeat for NetBEUI. Both under Microsoft.

After machine reboots, with both machines configured so, your should see each other in Network Neighbour hood. [left double click]

If not, trouble-shooting time

Eddy

	30-07-2000 03:00									#6
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Forgot to mention, RJ45 cables, to use these [faster, more stable] you would need a a a router thingy [technical term] for it to work.

Stick with ethernet if just with 2 pc's tho, way more easier.

Eddy

	30-07-2000 03:09									#7
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Not looking at manual here, but it takes 2 lux to make a unhappy person content, another 2 to make him happy, right?

Size 5 town.... 10 unhappy people.... 15 lux means 3 happy, 1 content, 1 unhappy. You said a temple... after Mysticism right? makes 2 unhappy, content, and JSP makes 2 unhappy, content.

Which means, you should have 3 happy, 2 content. You should be CELEBRATING!!!

I think....?

Eddy

	30-07-2000 03:27									#8
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That's what I thought

	30-07-2000 14:07									#9
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Why are your surprises always to my detriment?

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I think I can answer this one. Could it be because the third player in your game is so far behind that nothing you do could surprise them? (i.e. Railroad, Electricity and Flight have all been "Surprises" for Eddy (as will Automobile), but the only possible surprise for the third player in this game would be Communism, and that my friend, will not be much of a surprise.

But this could only happen if the third player we doing VERY badly of course

Sparrowhawk (a.k.a. The Dark Horse)

	31-07-2000 09:08									#10
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I think it's about time to make an alliance against Carolus... all those dirty deeds against us both! We should not stand for it!!

If you gave me 1000 gold for my expenses, I will attack from the East! A combined attack should be enough!

Eddy (aka Caesar Ed)
Of the Great Roman Empire!!!!


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	03-08-2000 16:48									#11
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Greetings from Oslo University!

I'm taking a one week course here, only dropping by to get my Apolyton fix!

Not allowed to post this, better stop before they throw me out!

Carolus

	04-08-2000 09:43									#12
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Hmm, Carolus I just send a message to you and Eddy, asking if you want to continue on Mondya the 7th. I take it you will be unavailable still then?

Sparrowhawk (a.k.a. The Dark Horse)

	04-08-2000 15:02									#13
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Nope, that'll be just fine!

I'm leaving tomorrow, going back home.

Which leaves us with the leader of the mighty Roman empire... I say, Eddy. Up for a game, lad? Be a good sport and let us know, old chap!

Carolus

	05-08-2000 20:31									#14
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I think this calls for use a video recorder! And some quick talking for the other half. She found a film that she wanted *us* to watch together...

Any ideas?? If I say I've gone blind, then she'll not let me use the computer... and she might just say I have to listen to it!!

9pm GMT is my earliest time, is that ok?

Eddy

	05-08-2000 20:34									#15
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What about tonight??? I'm free! (ish)

10pm gmt, y'all available ?!?!

Eddy

	06-08-2000 13:56									#16
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I'm home...

That's a pretty tough regime you have at home, Eddy! No chance of building SoL and revolt?

Seriously, how about another night then? Your wife has done some compromising lately, maybe it's your turn? (I can't believe I wrote that! )

Either way let us know.

Carolus

	07-08-2000 09:13									#17
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Size-5 city can only use 10 effective luxury 'diamonds'. If you have between 13-24 cities, your city won't celebrate. Search in strategy for happiness. Should be mentioned by some one before.

That's why HG and democracy with courthouse are important in WLTPD.

Sorry that it is too late to be of help.

	07-08-2000 09:26									#18
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Ya the roit factor kicks in.

Although i have seen a wierd game before, i had 70 trade in my size 8 cap and it wouldn't celebrate at 100% luxeries in dem. I had 7 other cities and i had temples coluseum and marketplace + bank + HG and collosus in my cap. I couldn't get more then 3 people happy. Every other city in my empire had nearly every single person in the city happy. There is no way that my cap shouldn't have been all happy people. I believe there is a bug somewhere in civ that deals with happyness

	20-08-2000 11:04									#19
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Carolus Rex and Eddy:

I return from holidays on the 24th (thursday). Any chance of continuing our game on any/all of Friday, Saturday or Sunday the 25th, 26th or 27th? (I believe all three are good for me). I may not get online again before Thurday though so if I am slow responding that is why.

Looking forward to continuing , even though I am,
Sparrowhawk, the dark horse
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	20-08-2000 20:45									#20
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Some cities sometimes won't celebrate. I think it's because one have too many cities and that particular city has too many unhappy citizens from that. This penalty is often applied to the city the settler has originated from.
If you want to use a WLTPD strategy you should not build too many cities.

	20-08-2000 22:52									#21
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To make it even more confusing for you i'll give it a shot........
How to set up a LAN with a laptop and a desktop computer
Ok you need a ethernet card for each of those computers the best kind to get for the laptop is a "pcmcia ethernet card" it slides into a slot on the side you can pick one up for 50-150$US depending on the quality. It should autodetect it when you put it in the laptop its quite easy. for the desktop computer you can get a ethernet card cheap (I can find them for about 20-50$US but you have to open up your case and install it into your computer its not that hard ask the computer store for directions if you need help-its pretty easy though just slide the card into an empty slot close the computer up and boot up and windoze95 or 98 will ask you for the driver CD (or floppy disk) and your good to go. Your going to need a thing called a "hub" the cables coming out of the back of the computers will have to be plugged into this for them to talk to each other im not sure how much one costs cuz I have 2 of them so i never needed to buy one. And also you need 2 pieces of cable get the kind called "RJ45" its the best and easiest to deal with. Now you'll have to configure IPX/SPX network protocol on the computers (ipx is the best for games on a LAN but doesent work over the internet you use tcp/ip for that) right clcik on net. neighborhood and select properties> click add>then double click protocol>select microsoft>then IPX/SPX-compatiable Protocol> then click OK youll need your windows disk- do this for both computers youll have to restart. when you do start a mpciv2 game and volia! youre networked!

	22-08-2000 19:21									#22
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Thanks for that extensive explanation! I have an ethernet card (the size of a VISA card) already installed in my laptop. Next step seems to be buying a network card for my desktop.

One question. The ethernet card cable I'm using now to my laptop is a digital one (meaning that it contains fiber optics I suppose?).

Do I need a similar one (instead of one containing metal) to my desktop's network card or is that what the "hub" is for (i.e. making them compatible)?

SH,

I don't think Eddy will be available any time soon. I'll ICQ you the details.

Carolus

	23-08-2000 03:38									#23
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...ethernet card...installed in my laptop...network card for my desktop...cable ...digital...hub...compatible

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CR - you sound like a regular techie!

Steeplerot - thanks I am running through the same process now - I was getting ready to post the question you answered.

	23-08-2000 16:21									#24
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Not to confuse things, but I don't think that you need a hub to connect 2 computers. All you need is 2 ethernet cards and a "cross-over" RJ-45 (?) ethernet cable. A crossover cable is wired slightly differently on one end, but the connection/fitting is the same. While the software end of a Mac would be different, I think the hardware is similar. I connected two Macs to make a Civ LAN in this fashion. The only thing between the computer ether net cards is the cross-over cable; a bit cheaper than a hub! Now if you want 3 or more computers on the same LAN, then you MUST have a hub and regular cable.

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	25-08-2000 05:56									#25
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I have heard this cable called that is used to hook two pc's up back to back a "null modem cable" also.

	25-08-2000 08:51									#26
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Carolus, I am now back from holidays, yet no response from you re:Eddy. (But I can guess what news you may have to pass on to me )

I am still available to play at some time over the next three days. Please ICQ or post if you would like to play. (I think we have a "duel" LOL that we are in the process of playing?)

note to uninformed readers: Sparrowhawk despises the idea of duels, Carolus Rex being the accomodating sort, modified his strategy accordingly, lol.

Let me know either way please,
Sparrowhawk, The Horse So Dark the light at the end of the tunnel is fast fading

	25-08-2000 16:11									#27
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I understand that you can use a crossover cable but I never have also someone told me they can be flaky sometime (but that person was trying to get me to make one of my own outta regular cable) As I said I have a few 16 port hubs laying around (My friend works for SUN so they throw out the coolest stuff on sundays) so I never needed to go the crossover route