25-01-2004 13:43									#1
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The new Hiverian constitutions will be implemented in segments in order to phase in the new government structure and system. Therefore before finalizing a formal written constitutions, we will adopt a temporary transitory formal unwritten constitution.

As such the first phase of this transition will be the appointment of Consuls, with the approval of the People of course. Therefore I submit for the approval of the people the appointment of Octavian X and Enigma_Nova as consuls of the Human Hive (this is not in-line with free elections immediately but their term will last only a month whereupon free elections will begin). The first collegiality consulship will have the power to play the game and to conduct foreign policy on behalf of the Human Hive; they will also be given the power to create, appoint, and dismiss ministers, with the approval of the people.

With this, I bring into effect the lex Voltaria primus, the first phase of the new constitutional government.

	25-01-2004 23:22									#2
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Nothing can stop The Three.
Let those who want power... have power.
It looks like us 3 are those that want power.

Aha! I'll get powers of change after all!

	26-01-2004 01:56									#3
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well..i voted "write-in" what does it mean?

	26-01-2004 02:09									#4
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Write-in means you have another glorious idea that differs from the available options. Of course you are also obligated to share it with us.

	26-01-2004 02:40									#5
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hoo, i have a good idea - lets twist a coin for that!
wich side you take?

	26-01-2004 04:55									#6
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I said yes.

-Jam

	26-01-2004 17:17									#7
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quote: Originally posted by t_ras hoo, i have a good idea - lets twist a coin for that! wich side you take?

/me looks away in disgust
He'd leave such an important decision to the fate of a coin...
You know, if you're not wise enough to vote, don't vote! It's not compulsory, you know.

	26-01-2004 20:59									#8
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Lighten up Enigma! Perhaps you need to go to your CC friends and borrow some humor enhancers.

	26-01-2004 21:24									#9
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I voted no. Sorry. I know it won't change anything. But I just don't feel as jubilant as the rest of you.

	26-01-2004 21:52									#10
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Any reason, or just in a negative mood today?
Lighten up? No thanks. I'm here to become wise and powerful so I can use my wisdom to spot problems and use my power to fix them.
Humour and Happiness? Not too important for me.

	27-01-2004 00:48									#11
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Well not a negative mood today. But perhaps a negative mood toward you, Enigma. I've hoped more from you.

	27-01-2004 01:51									#12
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu Well not a negative mood today. But perhaps a negative mood toward you, Enigma.

I'm actually quite enjoying this side of you. Thank you.

quote: I've hoped more from you.

You hoped different. We may both be in the ACDG, but we're playing markedly different games.

	27-01-2004 02:07									#13
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I know. I had hoped that you can be some kind of a leader. But I realize now that it is perhaps a little too much for you. That's ok.

As for the ACDG game, I assure you if I'm really IN the geme it would be markedly different from what you currently see too.

	27-01-2004 03:55									#14
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* Micha has voted but pities the absence of an "abstain" option...

	27-01-2004 04:29									#15
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Perhaps I failed to stipulate this before, and my bad, but I will not go through with any laws without 2/3rds support. Which means this law could fail easily.

	27-01-2004 06:32									#16
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This citizen has voted.

	27-01-2004 13:49									#17
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu I know. I had hoped that you can be some kind of a leader. But I realize now that it is perhaps a little too much for you. That's ok.

You're confusing capability with desire.
Being a 'leader' in the archaic sense of the word disgusts me; I'd sooner have people lead themselves.
If I had to adjust myself to cater to others (if even for my own self-interest) I'd be thrice as resentful as I am currently.
And of course, if I have to change myself to be a leader, change away from resentment - then it's obviously a catch-22 (in that I hate to do such a thing).

However I reckon I can be what I am and still be a kickass 'leader', though not a leader in your sense of the word.
Perhaps the better word is an 'inspirator'...
In any case I can't do much for others if I'm aggrovated at the sound of their voice.
The most prudent plan of action would be to back of and allow me free reign, because when I have nothing to fight I'm (not surprisingly) neither combattive nor resentful.

Of course no-one's willing to experiment with something so dangerous - just like I'm unwilling to experiment with their agenda, and so the two stubborn beasts lock horns yet again.
Ain't pride so very counterproductive?

	28-01-2004 01:27									#18
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*sigh*
Very Well, it has come to this.
t_ras: Flip the coin.
I was wrong to doubt your method before giving it a shot.
Now let's see what the fates have to say.

	28-01-2004 01:55									#19
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I have been willing to experiment with you, Enigma, to let you be the "inspirator" you wanted to be, to give you the chance to "let people lead themselves". But if you always "can't do much for others" because you are "aggrovated at the sound of their voice" and instead of question and inspire you attack and surpress, I just couldn't help myself to stand before you. I just couldn't watch people being hurt by allowing you "free reign". Yes I admit I had aggravated you by using harsh words just so that you'll feel what other people are feeling when you are doing the same thing. But perhaps I was wrong. You have accumulated so much anger inside you even the smallest aggravation would provoke you explode to a great degree. I apologize. You do not need more reasons to be angry. You need more reasons to calm down and love and be loved. Enigma, please stop being angry. A questioner should be calm.

	28-01-2004 03:04									#20
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How interesting that this new regime, the regime brought about by forcing Kody out, has itself formed into a mirror of the old one it demanded an overthrow of.

	28-01-2004 03:32									#21
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Voltaire! *shocked*

Kody was not forced out, and you know it. He honourably left before he was caught cheating. Nothing AT ALL to do with Hive government.

And you are also (deliberately?) missing the point. The system was crap, not the people.

-Jam

	28-01-2004 07:42									#22
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I still can't cast a vote through the system, but it now looks like the Poll is moot with the departure of Enigma.

Although I still think the idea of Consuls has merit, I think we should keep Voltaire as Chairman even if we have consuls.

Octavian and Hong Hu would make good consuls.

Hong Hu has shown that she has the wisdom, maturity, and game skill to perform well.

Octavian has shown himself a thoughtful active member who has the energy to work hard as consul. Having him as a counsul would give him the ability to further develop his leadership skills and game techniques.


Mead

	28-01-2004 10:25									#23
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You forced Kody out, Jamski. And I will forever hold that against you. Just joking. But if you hadn't accused the shaddow ministry, Kody wouldn't need to test out the system out of love of us.

	28-01-2004 13:16									#24
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The greater evil, the lesser evil. Both are evil

These things are a matter of principle.

Oh, and I almost exploded when I read your first sentence, dear Comrade - think of a poor old man's blood pressure.

-Jam

	28-01-2004 20:49									#25
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Well you deserve at least this much. Have you thought about a poor little girl's blood pressure when you brutally destroyed Kody's and her hard work?

Btw are you accusing the "Consuls system" to be evil too? Or did I misunderstand you?

	29-01-2004 03:55									#26
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You misunderstood me (again )

-Jam

	29-01-2004 04:26									#27
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Now with the departure of E_N, I change my vote from no to yes.

I just didnīt want him to hold any power beyond micromanagement. Heīs too destructive for us...

	29-01-2004 04:39									#28
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I follow Comrade Micha in that I too change my vote from 'No' to 'Yes' for reasons stated by the enlightened Comrade Micha.

	29-01-2004 09:40									#29
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quote: Kody was not forced out, and you know it. He honourably left before he was caught cheating. Nothing AT ALL to do with Hive government.

Any decision I made is a combination of reasons for and against. If you want the single most driving reason for my departure, it was related to an important deadline for my real life studies I need to prepare for.

The whole hacking into private forums was more an embrassing excuse that I souped up, because I had trouble weening myself away any other way.

When or if the security hole is fixed, I'll explain exactly how I ended up finding it out and everyone will probably laugh themselves silly.

	29-01-2004 09:41									#30
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Well I guess it is time for new elections.