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MartynC
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Auckland
Jan 2004
time: 17:33
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Why is it Ab Lincoln for the Americans & not George Washington? is he not the First President of The US?.
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Plotinus
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I'm reliably informed - by my friend from Texas - that the animosity between North and South remains alive to this day. I'm also informed that the South is due to rise again, although precise details of the timetable and indeed events are hard to come by. There's also something about the Texan empire being reborn from the ashes, but I'm not sure exactly what that's all about.
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Brundlefly
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United States
Nov 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Your kidding right? US Grant is considered one of the worst Presidents in the history of the US. He is ALWAYS one of the three worst, usually THE worst.  |
Give me some reference material to back that up.
Are you talking about popular opinion or scholarly opinion? Here's a recent popular opinion poll by ABC News.
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Who's the greatest president?
This year Last year
Lincoln 20% 14% (third)
Kennedy 14 16 (second)
G. W. Bush 13 0
Clinton 8 9 (fourth)
Reagan 8 18 (first)
FDR 8 6 (fifth)
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ahem. nuff said.
Um, I cant find anything to back up what I said either. 
But I did see a PBS show on Grant where they said the same thing I'm trying to say. And I found this info on a website that has done some research trying to determine greatest president and ranked Grant 5th:
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What Washington, Eisenhower and Grant have in common.
Does this list make sense? Is Grant really one of our greatest Presidents, when his administration was ridden with scandal?
Yes. Washington, Eisenhower and Grant all have three things in common. They were the commanding Generals in the three indisputably "good" wars the United States ever fought: the War for Independence, the Civil War, and World War II.
Then, they presided over two peacetime economic boom terms.
Also, according to Geoffrey Perret's biography of Ulysses S. Grant, Grant virtually invented the modern army organization.
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GhengisFarb
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I want my HAMBURGERS!!
May 2002
time: 23:33
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Quotes (mostly from stuff on the internet though, I just searched for "President Grant worst" and took some excerpts
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Although often ranked as one of the worst presidents, some important steps were taken during his presidency. The 14th and 15th Amendment was ratified. The Justice Department wa created. Grant took efforts to continue protecting black rights, including the use of Federal troops. He promoted an important Civil Rights Act. It was only after his Administration that the newly won civil rights of Blacks were esentially lost. Some modern historians bnow suggest that Grant championed priciples that we now see as self evident at a time that they were under threat.
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-Some website with US Grant biography.
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Grant is normally viewed as one of the two or three worst Presidents...
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- quote from President Clinton
Note that the custodians of his own tomb, the people responsible for keeping it up and running and telling people of his life list this in their official pamplet:
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Out of 41 Presidents, historians ranked Grant 33rd, included in this catagory were Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, and James Garfield whose presidency only lasted 6 months, most of which time he spent attempting to recover from an assassin's bullet.
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I'm not trying to make fun of you, its just that whole Grant as a great President hit me from left field. 
The funny thing was the more I looked at the info from the Grant's Tomb people, its just all stuff trying to defend the fact that "he isn't the worst President there ever was." It was actually kinda funny.
If I was to choose "great" or even "popular" Presidents and I wanted to find some one with some historical "umph" I would go with Theodore Roosevelt, he really was a great President and BOTH parties believe that. He is also the President that gave the US its vision and set it on its rendevous with destiny so to speak.
Last edited by GhengisFarb on 10-02-2004 at 22:29
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Mobilize
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Greatest President: Thomas Jefferson
Worst President: George W. Bush
Those are in my opinion..
Theodore Roosevelt, F. D. Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy, and (can't think of his first name at the moment) Jackson leaderheads are needed.
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PresidentMarcos
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I'd like to see an FDR leaderhead.
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Noffius
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Please finish this one. Its quite good!
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25-01-2004 20:25
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It looks similar to Firaxis' leaderheads. 
You really need to explain me why...
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