26-01-2004 05:29									#1
	What to do with the military after the war's over? Suffering from ads?

I was wondering what we should do with our offensive military troops after we have fully conquered PEACE. I've created a poll (7 day time limit) with three general options, but those are just to get a rough idea. Please post your opinion below, so we can discuss what to do.

	26-01-2004 06:25									#2
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We need to consider the fact that we will go into FreeMarket the moment we are able to, this will present some dificulty in any troop movments as we will need to stay in our territory or else we will get Pacificm Drones.

My recomendation is to first spread them as Garrisons in many of the PEACE bases that will be lacking them (if we dont build all the un-nessary Boy Scouts as I have urged).

These units will provide defence against any random Native life attacks that might strike thouse sea bases but wont realy provide much more then that.

As the Peace bases are brought to heel and turned to productive output they can make Probe Defences and Plasma Garrisons which are far superior to Impact Marrines when it comes to defending a base. We can then begin using are transports to bit by bit move the bulk of the Impact Marines (Missle Marines by this point) towards some staging area for our next attack (I recomend Belivers, the Angels are sapping the Hives navel strength so we have no interest in provoking them, the Belivers though look much easier to concour).

	26-01-2004 06:32									#3
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My personal preference would be to build a boy scout in each PEACE base, leaving all our offensive units free to either move to our northern Trantorian coasts (so we can quickly help PUT if they are attacked), or to our western borders (if we plan to attack the Angels next).
If PUT was attacked and all our units were spread over the PEACE bases as garrisons, IMHO it would take way too much time before we can react.

	26-01-2004 07:04									#4
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Why such a burning desire to have a Boy Scout in every captured base? If the war is over we dont need to worry about PEACE and if we are in FreeMarket they dont provide any police effect. All you have left is random native life form attack which is VERY unlikly and in my opinion dont justify building nearly 10 otherwise useless units (who will have poor wealth morale) and consume 10 minerals every year!!

I am more worried about Probe Defence in our captured PEACE bases then I am with weak Physical Defences that Boy Scouts can provide.

How about we just leave most of these bases ungarrisoned for the time being and move the military directly to its next staging area. Also we would need to use our Navy in any defence of the University, they would be more important then our Imact Marines. Thus it might be wise to start returning the Navy to the Northern Trantor Coast as soon as their is nothing left for them to do against PEACE (all ships destroyed and no sea bases left). They could then enter University Waters (with Archaics permision ofcorse) and patrol their.

	27-01-2004 01:09									#5
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I prefer to have plasma garrisons in our bases. That way our military can go anywhere they please and at least our home is defended. I have 10 minerals a year over for that.

As for the distribution of the offensive units after the war, there was talk about attacking the Angels with conjecture with the Hive, so just in case a majority decide so, keep them at the last bases they conquer (the western ones)

	27-01-2004 02:18									#6
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Take out the AI. They have nice places, nice bases, and we can gain a lot from it. Especially Roze at the Jungle If we take those, we can match production and growth with the Hive and Drones However IMHO we should put some units, preferably our own probes, in PUT bases so they can't be attacked without declaring on us.

	27-01-2004 02:59									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Take out the AI. They have nice places, nice bases, and we can gain a lot from it. Especially Roze at the Jungle If we take those, we can match production and growth with the Hive and Drones However IMHO we should put some units, preferably our own probes, in PUT bases so they can't be attacked without declaring on us.

I would love to see Angels crushed. But Hive...
Hopefully we can do it.

	27-01-2004 20:17									#8
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So navy to the East to protect PUT (along with some probe Foils) and Marines on alert in the West preparing to attack Angles at some point. This seems like a good plan to me.

Whats the opinion on leaving newly concoured bases empty for a time? I think we can leave Lair, Pampolona, Calico/Atlantis empty for a time without much worry. It will be far more efficient to skip Boy Scouts and go Rec Commons then Plasma Garrisons in these bases. Or use a central base like Triplex to produce a number of units (Garrisons, Crawlers, Formers) that can be distributed with our Transport fleet.

	27-01-2004 21:02									#9
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I'd say go boy scouts. They can be upgraded later if needs be, and we need drone reduction ASAP.

	27-01-2004 21:19									#10
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How many time must I point out that Boy Scouts wont provide us with any Drone Reductions due to the base sizes and the fact all the PEACE bases are full of drones AND the fact we will take FreeMarket soon. Building up 10 mins and hurrying a Rec Commons CAN put additonal workers in the field though and incresse productivity, only AFTER that will police do much good.

	27-01-2004 21:40									#11
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Without FM they won't do any good? Take FM soon? IMHO, taking out the Angels if more profitable for us, or guarding PUTs bases.

And even without that, the peace of mind from IoDs and the ability to upgrade means I'd still go for boy scouts first.

	27-01-2004 23:53									#12
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quote: If the war is over we dont need to worry about PEACE

No, but we might need to worry about a surprise attack from the Angels who are hostile to us, or the Hive in the west who might decide to go conquer Chiron after they've got the CBA.
And as Drogue says: "I'd say go boy scouts. They can be upgraded later if needs be". So if we need a defensive army in record time, we can upgrade those cheap units.

quote: All you have left is random native life form attack which is VERY unlikly

It depends. If we would decide to go trough with raising the sea levels by ecological damage, native life attacks become more likely.

That brings me on another point I'd like to ask to all cyborgs: now we have the trance ability, should we build 1-1t-1 trance scouts instead of boy scouts (if a majority is in favour of building garrisons instead of rec commons first)?

quote: How many time must I point out that Boy Scouts wont provide us with any Drone Reductions due to the base sizes

Why do you think that? Garrisons currently can reduce or are reducing drones in Tassagrad, MBV, Triplex and Athena. If we let Casablanca grow to size 3, a garrison becomes useful there as well. So the only base that doesn't gain from them at the moment is Lair, but since PEACE is building Barques in that neighbourhood, it's very crucial to have garrisons there.

	28-01-2004 00:13									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Impaler: Why do you think that? Garrisons currently can reduce or are reducing drones in Tassagrad, MBV, Triplex and Athena. If we let Casablanca grow to size 3, a garrison becomes useful there as well.

Reason the more to build extra garrisons in the home land as well (with an command center pls), those can be distributed to the west and replacing repaired impact marines who are currently there. Besides, as mentioned earlier, the war is supposed to take longer for the higher mineral input of PEACE (their crawlers), so more likely we will only be able to conquer one base at the time from now on. Gives more time to distribute whatever unit is build.

quote: Originally posted by Drogue I'd say go boy scouts. They can be upgraded later if needs be, and we need drone reduction ASAP.

Upgrading green units? Doesn't get my vote I'm afraid.
And damaged units need to stay a while in a conquered base anyway, those are temporary garrisons.

	28-01-2004 09:19									#14
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I voted for the first option, spread as garrison. But there is something more, i think could be done. There are unexplored regions to the south and south-west, where i think two ships could be sent. We could have a scout rover-the best for land exploration, but there is none in the region. Maybe it would be good to prepare one and load it to a transport - one of presently used as troop transports. There is one skimships also in the base in geothermal shalows - it could also explore the south. The rest might serve as temporary garrison, until regular defensive troops are prepared.

	28-01-2004 14:44									#15
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i like drogues idea of using triplex to build the garrisons for other bases....and let those bases start building rec commons...about the military i would also send the a part of our land invasion force towards PUT grounds so that we can stage a counter attack when PUT bases are captured...but i am agreeing on taking on the angels as well...but we or have to wait until the PUT has fought of the attack...or take the angels before PUT needs our help...we can`t do both...

	29-01-2004 17:15									#16
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I think we should inflitrate the AI's before desiding which one to attack (and how, when ect ect).

I am oposed to pulling any of our imprtant navel units away to explore the lands to the South (their likly not very usefull and we probly cant afford to build new bases their any time soon anyways). At some later date though its a good idea.

Making Garrison troops in Triplex after the Rec Commons is done is also a good plan. Then a Crawler and Net Node would be high priorites.

	01-02-2004 06:11									#17
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Am I correct we'd better forget about attacking AI factions and send our troops straight north to PUT after PEACE is finished?

	01-02-2004 09:40									#18
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I'm for that. North with our troops after conquest.
Besides, if Hive starts a war together with Drones against us, the AI Angels might be persuaded to join us, or at least to have better relations. Granted it's only a AI, but every help is welcome

	02-02-2004 00:32									#19
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Garrison PUT bases!

	03-02-2004 01:48									#20
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Looks like the're aint gonna be a moment without war from now on.

Poll dissmissed, I think...

	03-02-2004 02:23									#21
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If our Navy ends up in the Area of Atlantis or Calico Island then I propose we move it north around that Desert Island and then North East to reach the Northern University Coast asap, they can destroy any Drone Transport moving against us easly.

Love Boat should start moving north imediatly with an ultimate goal of Gold Coast.