26-01-2004 23:39									#1
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Concept:
We would divide up into three teams, (France, England, and Spain?) Each team would elect a Royal Minister who performs the same function as President in a traditional Demogame.

Settler/Colonists would be auctioned off by the Royal Ministers to the highest bidder to start a colony in the New World. All the income and production from said colony is the property and under the control of the winning bidder. Of course Royal Ministers/teams may vote to collect/impose taxes on the colonies.

Basically it would be a three team themed Feudal Demogame system. With vested interest in building and cultivating their own colonies hopefully DemoGamers will be more active in the game. The theme and competition should provide ample fuel for Roleplay, and by keeping it limited to three teams it hopefully shouldn't get too bogged down.

Any interest or discussion?


Another possibility is to have a Native team that controls all three native tribes and plays them all at once.

Confirmed Groups and Civ Choices

Non Aligned (Team Spam)
UnOrthOdOx
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Spain
GhengisFarb
Uber KruX
1/2 of GodKing


France
Rhothaerill
joncnunn


England
Borc
Paddy the Scot
1/2 of GodKing
Beta
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	27-01-2004 00:11									#2
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Sounds interesting. If it happens I wouldn't mind being a part of it.

	27-01-2004 00:43									#3
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Hmm... Count me in.
I'm especialy interested in playing the three indian Nations...

	27-01-2004 01:15									#4
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Sounds interesting.. What sort of turn shedule would we be talking, running one turn per week? something like that?

	27-01-2004 01:25									#5
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I would hope we could move a little faster than one turn a week with it being teams. Although it might take a few days to set up the first turn with teams auctioning off Settlers, ships and the what not.

Okay, I added Spain and a team of all the Indians. If anyone else wants to join up under civ just post your choice.

	27-01-2004 01:27									#6
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As long as the civ color isn't PINK I'll be part of the France civ team.

	27-01-2004 02:28									#7
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I will not have enough time to become a royal minister but i would like to be a brave member of the mighty england!

	27-01-2004 02:39									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill As long as the civ color isn't PINK I'll be part of the France civ team.

I don't remember what colors the Natives use but couldn't we use a Dark Blue for France, that would be somewhat appropriate.

	27-01-2004 03:05									#9
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I don't think the same team should be playing all the MesoAmerican natives, I won embarssingly easy playing the Aztecs in this conquest by only building two cities to support more units being built by the non capital cities and had two wonders finished before starting the aqaduct for the capital.

Granted that was against the computer, and several of the european AIs sold me a slave to sacifice.

(Some of the natives did as well, and the Mayan declaring war on me two times led to me getting even more slaves and my empire trippling in number of cities. I let them live though so that all of them loved me when I culturaly won.)

The English AI also got it's CPU handed to it by the Irqouis AI

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	27-01-2004 03:09									#10
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Oh, when the Europeans are run by multiple humans instead of AI then eat the Natives alive. The Euros can coordinate their research and plan their colonies far superior to the AI as human players in my opinion.

But, if it seems to overwhelming we may need to change it. Thats what this discussion thread is for.

	27-01-2004 03:16									#11
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I don't have time to be the President and would probably be sproadic as a player, so I'd merely like to mostly lurk in on the French team if there's not a max number of players on each team.

(Because the French have 3 immedate neighbors with Scotand staring in French control.)

	27-01-2004 03:23									#12
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The nice thing about this set up is those who can be active now can start the first colonies where as those who want to lurk or maybe be active later can start later colonies.

But you don't have to found colonies, you could bid on a ship and be Captain or Privateer and attack other nations ships and/or colonies. Theres a lot of different aspects to this.

	27-01-2004 05:14									#13
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Here's a rundown of what the civs have unit wise:

SPAIN
Seville: Settler(1), Caravels(2), Worker(1), Conquistidor(1), Pikemen(2)
Granada: Pikeman(1)
Barcelona: Pikeman(1) Caravel(1), Worker(1)
Madrid: Trebuchet(1), Pikemen(2), Longbowman(1)
Canary Islands: Pikemen(1)
Cagliari: Pikemen(1), Medieval Infantry(1), Caravel(1)
*1 Worker outside Madrid

PORTUGAL
Lisbon: Trebuchet(1), Pikemen(2), Longbowman(1), Caravels(2), Explorer(1)
Oporto: Pikemen(2)
Ceuta: Pikemen(1)
Madeira: Pikemen(1)
Azores: Pikemen(1)
Cape Verde Islands: Pikemen(1), Medieval Infantry(1), Caravel(1)
*1 Worker outside Lisbon

FRANCE
Paris: Trebuchet(1), Pikemen(3)
Bordeaux: Trebuchet(1), Pikeman(1), Settler(1), Caravels(2), Explorer(1)
Brest: Pikemen(1), Caravel(1)
Lyons: Longbowman(1), Worker(1), Pikeman(1)
Marseilles: Pikemen(1), Caravel(1)
Edinburgh: Pikemen(1), Medieval Infantry(1)
*1 Worker outside Paris

THE DUTCH
Amsterdam: Trebuchet(1), Pikemen(4), Caravels(2), Explorer(1), Settler(1)
Antwerp: Pikemen(2), Medieval Infantry(1), Caravels(2), Worker(1)
Brussels: Pikemen(2), Longbowman(1), Worker(1)
*1 Worker outside Amsterdam


ENGLAND
London: Trebuchet(1), Pikemen(2), Medieval Infantry(1), Caravels(2), Explorer(1), Settler(1)
York: Worker(1), Pikemen(2)
Bristol: Caravel(1), Longbowman(1), Worker(1), Pikeman(1)
Plymouth: Caravel(1), Pikemen(2)
Dublin: Pikeman(1)
*1 Worker outside London


I think we should have a rule that disallows land war in Europe. European civs can wage war in the New World but no attacking each other on land in the Old World.

	27-01-2004 05:19									#14
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My Lakota roots call to me, sign me up as at least a lurker in the Native American team.

	27-01-2004 05:46									#15
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i'll join Spain.

note, there are no iroquois in the MP version of the scenario.

	27-01-2004 05:52									#16
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[19:47] Uber KruX: so, hows it goign to work
[19:47] Uber KruX: i read the thread but i'm still hazy on details
[19:48] Uber KruX: the euro-cities are not controlled by anyone?
[19:48] GhengisFarb: I figure we could bid like we did on our Feudal Team. If we only have a few people we could go ahead and start and let other people join later.
[19:49] Uber KruX: so, we COULD own the cities on the mainland?
[19:50] Uber KruX: you know what i would do?
[19:50] Uber KruX: bid for whatever a city produces
[19:50] Uber KruX: like, if i want a Frigate
[19:50] Uber KruX: i bid for a Frigate built in Oporto
[19:50] Uber KruX: or something
[19:51] Uber KruX: so, the lords could get a decent navy while still developing their colonies
[19:51] GhengisFarb: Post the question in the thread, with the two of us we can discuss rule possibilites and thsu iron out procedures
[19:51] Uber KruX: i'd imagine that each team could sort it out on their own

	27-01-2004 05:55									#17
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I was thinking that the starting cities could be considered the Crown's lands and it could use them to build Royal Navies and Forces, it wouldn't necessarily have to auction all of them off.

Of course colonial Governors could build their own ships and troops. Didn't George Washington start a war between the French and British as a colonial cuz he was feeling a little frisky?

	27-01-2004 06:02									#18
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Woudl be interesting to be a lurker for teh native team, or even a semi active participant.

	27-01-2004 11:05									#19
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I would like to join the English team as a member

	27-01-2004 11:44									#20
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So if we play the natives there is one thing that would make it a bit to easy for us.
Two tribes playing a workerpump for tribe three who just goes and sacrifices a lot.
Hmm we'd have a cultural victory within a few turns
So it should be clear that we could not sacrifice indians but only those devils from oversea....

	28-01-2004 01:47									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Darekill So it should be clear that we could not sacrifice indians but only those devils from oversea....

That would work, no sacrificing Natives unless your Spanish.

We probably need to pm and email some more people about this. This forum doesn't see too much traffic anymore.

	28-01-2004 01:50									#22
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So where are you going to set this up at Ghengis? Have you talked to Mark or Dan about private forums? If we don't have private forums it's pretty hard for multiple teams to function.

	28-01-2004 02:48									#23
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I'm sure we will need more interested members to get private forums here. MZ said we might be able to get a set up at MZO.

	28-01-2004 03:06									#24
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And how do we enforce this unless all seven civs in Europe are played by humans?

And would those starting Spanish and Protoguese colonies in N Africa and just off the coast count as new world and old world? And how about Africa south of the Saharra desert?

I also checked out the differences between single player and muli player Age of Discovery, and the most important one is that the Irqouis aren't in the multiplayer one and are only in the single player.

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I think we should have a rule that disallows land war in Europe. European civs can wage war in the New World but no attacking each other on land in the Old World.

	28-01-2004 03:08									#25
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Hum, also wouldn't the English team object to a rule that states they can't try to take Scotland over from the French?

	28-01-2004 03:12									#26
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Possibly. But its embraces the spirit of the Age of Discovery concept more.

	28-01-2004 09:03									#27
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Hey, the french should just leave Scotland peacefully....


or I'm on the wrong team....

	28-01-2004 18:59									#28
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There doesn't seem to be a whole flood of people interested. Perhaps the Euro Players could all merge onto one Euro team and we could just post stuff in public.

That would also allow the passersby to look at whats going on and potentially join in without having to join a Private Forum.

The only question with this proposal is what to do about the Natives. Would the Natives be willing to join into a Euro team?

	28-01-2004 22:09									#29
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sure.

	29-01-2004 00:41									#30
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On the other hand I really like the idea of being able to Privateer someone else's ships and treasure. Any chance we could play the game with screenshots of our maps of the New World?

Just as we start up, maybe some others will join if we get it going.