27-01-2004 02:26									#1
	Official Poll: Do we transfer Catapults to CGN? Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

This would require us to gift a city to CGN and them declaring war on us in order to capture the Catapults. Then they offer peace on the same turn and gift us back the city.

	27-01-2004 02:57									#2
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No. It smacks of exploit! I'm still against trying to exploit the game rules just because GCA continues to do so.

	27-01-2004 03:04									#3
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Nope....An exploit going too far.
I dont mind using it as a threat against GWT to for GCA to decalre peace...or Mongoose to force GCA into peace.

Tell GWT that we are going to consider gifting CGN 20 catapults.
Would they like to buy us off ?
All they have to do is force GCA into peace.



Anyway....CGN will do well against GWT by themselves without our help.

And when the GWT offensive fails, CGN will then go on the offensive against GWT with Sipahi's.

We will then need to come to GWT's defense, and I would rather not be facing our own canons/artilary.

	27-01-2004 03:14									#4
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"If you are going to point a weapon at someone, you should be prepared to pull the trigger."

Why would you be ok with threatening to use it if you are not actually willing to use it?

	27-01-2004 03:16									#5
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I think we should wait until GWT makes their big push. Until then, we don't even know if GWT has enough to take the furthest cities. If they fail, then we have helped CGN on the counter tremendously.

	27-01-2004 03:48									#6
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I say no, I don't think we should do it. Both because I'm uncomfortable with it from an exploit PoV, and because I'm not entirely sure we want to help CGN more than we already are (tech trades/embargo w/GWT). Many people seem to think they're the underdog over there, but I'm not sure of that at all.

-Arrian

	27-01-2004 04:00									#7
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I vote no because I'm against teleporting units and it also leaves our options open not to be bound to do something.

	27-01-2004 05:03									#8
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As much as I want to help CGN in the short term, no.

	27-01-2004 06:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree "If you are going to point a weapon at someone, you should be prepared to pull the trigger." Why would you be ok with threatening to use it if you are not actually willing to use it?

I know it sounds stupid.

But threatening to use an exploit to counter an expoit is different than actually using it.
I just want the peace issue resolved.

	27-01-2004 13:37									#10
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No.

	27-01-2004 16:28									#11
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No, dont take that road.

	27-01-2004 17:13									#12
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Banana, I don;t see no stinking Banana. Well, if there was one, I would vote it...

E_T

	27-01-2004 21:29									#13
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This reeks of exploit.

I said no before, and I'll say no again.

Perhaps if it were EXACTLY the same thing that GCA did, I'd say yes, but this is taking it further and I cannot support that. We'd not only be stooping as low as GCA, we'd be stooping even lower (and paving the way for them to outdo us in the exploit business in the future).

I do not want this demo game to turn into a competition of who exploits the most.

	28-01-2004 05:58									#14
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The only way I would be infavor of giving them any support would be if we were to sail that support accross the ocean. And as that is currently impossible due to tech level, I say no.

(IE: If it can't be done using normal movement, NO)