03-02-2004 15:00									#31
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I had planned on random map settings except for size. Didn't think we would want a HUGE map.

As it is only 5? of us, no bigger than a standard map please or we'll take 3000 years just to find each other.

	03-02-2004 18:56									#32
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Final civ choices:

Ghengis - France
Masuro - Celts
CerberusIV - Dutch
lmtoops - England
Uber KruX - Portugal

How does everyone feel about making Longboats, Berserkers, and Cossacks available to everyone with Hidden Nationality?

	03-02-2004 19:52									#33
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How about two naval units - One in the second age and one in the third or fourth age (i.e. modern pirates) and two land units. Again, one for the second age and one for the third or fourth age. This will allow us to enjoy pillaging and looting for almost the whole game. When do cossacks appear?
As for the map, I would like standard or large. Not meeting for a couple thousand years is fine with me.

	03-02-2004 20:22									#34
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Some hidden nationality units is fine with me.

	03-02-2004 21:28									#35
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So Far:
Longboat
Berserker

Cossack (Available with Military Tradition)


What modern age ship would be used? It would need cargo space to capture Treasure.

	03-02-2004 21:44									#36
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A modern warship would not be right. I suppose the best option is to go for a modified transport with an increased attack (to twice the defence of a transport).

Do make sure treasure can't be airlifted if possible (or moved by helicopter) otherwise no-one will be moving it between continents in a way that allows capture in the late game.

	03-02-2004 21:46									#37
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how does that wark farb (capturing treasure with a ship)

	03-02-2004 23:32									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX how does that wark farb (capturing treasure with a ship)

I'm not sure, I've been told that if a ship with cargo capacity defeats a ship with treasure it keeps the treasure.

Never had it happen for me though.

	04-02-2004 00:35									#39
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I'm not sure, I've been told that if a ship with cargo capacity defeats a ship with treasure it keeps the treasure. Never had it happen for me though.

I think that if you want to be sure of capturing treasure then the hidden nationality ship needs to have the enslave capability.

If the late game unit is an uprated transport as I have suggested, then it should be set with enslave and that enslave produces either an ordinary transport or another hidden nationality unit.

	04-02-2004 00:46									#40
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If I sink a treasure carrying transport with a non-enslaving ship then does the treasure disappear?

	04-02-2004 01:51									#41
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I don't know, when I get off work and get home I'll play around with some of the ship options and see if it works.

	04-02-2004 03:33									#42
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Yesterday, I attacked a ship with my Sea Dog. It enslaved a Pikeman. I assumed that the foreign ship was carrying the Pikeman.

I guess the same concept would apply to the treasure, but I don't think it's 100%. I think the odds are in the attackers favor, but sometimes the treasure will go down with the ship even if the enslave option is activated.

In any case, Ghengis will test it out and enlighten us all.

This certainly adds a twist to the game. In my practice game, I'm ruling the seas and few treasures get back to Europe. Of course the AI is very predictable in his routes.

	04-02-2004 06:14									#43
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It's more interesting if it isn't a 100% chance. I suppose lots of treasure went to the bottom in real life because of a misplaced cannon shot by pirates.
This game is looking more interesting with every post.

	04-02-2004 06:17									#44
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I think I remember reading that less than 25% of the treasure Spain shipped back from the New World in its Treasure Fleets actually made it. Most was lost at sea in storms and shipwrecks.

	05-02-2004 21:40									#45
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I'll be away from tomorrow until Tuesday or Wednesday and again from the 13th to the 18th. Sorry for the absences but I have to visit relatives while I'm in Canada

	13-02-2004 19:50									#46
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Are we going to start this game?

	17-02-2004 22:38									#47
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Well Ghengis was driving this, but he cannot play CivIII, anymore. He may have to drop-out of all his PBEM games.

	18-02-2004 00:12									#48
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I think this one is, unfortunately, dead in the water.