25-02-2004 19:36									#271
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spoiler(highlight to read): Sorry, but you'll have to experiment on Bloodscalp. You will turn ALL the thiefs hostile if you screw up, except Aran. Blackblood - does poison damage - kills trollies

-Jam

	25-02-2004 19:46									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski spoiler(highlight to read): Sorry, but you'll have to experiment on Bloodscalp. You will turn ALL the thiefs hostile if you screw up, except Aran. Blackblood - does poison damage - kills trollies -Jam

spoiler(highlight to read): So is Blackblood the name of the club? I'm a bit confused here.

	25-02-2004 20:06									#273
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Yes.

	25-02-2004 20:13									#274
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Thanks!

Sorry about all these spoiler boxes Stuie, but we don't want to spoil the game for you! (or me for that matter, but I'll play through the first one a couple of times before thinking about buying the second)

	25-02-2004 20:49									#275
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Sorry about all these spoiler boxes Stuie, but we don't want to spoil the game for you!

I'm resisting the temptation to highlight... but I better ignore this thread until tomorrow. I should make some good progress tonight (after wife/kids are asleep) because I'm off tomorrow.

	26-02-2004 12:46									#276
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Which one is Renal? I assume he's the one you don't have to kill. I never new that little tidbit about him. Hmm.

	26-02-2004 14:19									#277
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Don't give anything away to Stuie!

I'm afraid that I didn't manage to get any turns in last night, but hope to have a fairly good go at it on Friday night (depending upon the status of the Civ 2 SXN games, which have to take priority ).

	26-02-2004 14:44									#278
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Diss: Please spoiler that, in case Stuie hasn't read it. It's not hugely spoilering but for someone who hasn't met

spoiler(highlight to read): Renal

it's best to be safe.

In answer to your question

spoiler(highlight to read): He's the one who gives you the Mae'Var quest, the thief stronghold. The one you know about, not the one you pay to see, or who Bodhi asks you to kill (Aran Lindvail).

	26-02-2004 23:56									#279
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Glad to see you guys are looking out for me!

Well, I met with Renal and got a quest from him, dumped the poisoned guy and got a quest from the Harpers which I completed in short order.... but, looking for the Harper quest destination, I stumbled across an old "friend" of Jehira's. That caused a slight side quest that (I felt - role playing-wise) needed immediate action.

Then I ran into Xzar, and tried to find his friend Montaron at the Harper's place. Unfortunately my party can't deal with the 2nd floor, so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Maybe I'll have to come back later.

So I found Jehira's "friend" and dealt with that situation.

Now it's time for a rest at the Copper Coronet and then I can tackle the other city quest still needing attention (Renal's).

Any hints for finding Montaron?

	27-02-2004 00:16									#280
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Stuie: Finding Montaron is not about having decent weapons, or winning fights. It's a puzzle. Make sure you've checked everywhere. Talk to the people on the ground floor, there are many, many hints as to how to be safe on the 2nd floor.

	27-02-2004 02:50									#281
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Or if you're really stuck

spoiler(highlight to read): Search the ground floor for a "harper amulet" then grab Montarion (disgiused as a bird in the cage) and leg it sharpish

Now TRY and resist highlighting that till you have at least looked everywhere and spoken to everyone in the Harper's place.

-Jam

	27-02-2004 14:16									#282
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If I exported my BG1 characters into BG2, could I still do that quest, because I had Montaron killed off (on purpose, thank you ) pretty soon after picking up Jaheira and Khalid.
Or is there a time warp factor in BG2?
I'd like for Montaron to appear in BG2, but then tell my character that the party left him for dead or something like that, but I doubt it's going to happen.

	27-02-2004 14:23									#283
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time warp

well kinda.

Really anything you do in BG1 has no relevance to BG2. Aside from your character stats.

but don't forget the pantaloons .

okay they aren't that important. I have never collected all of them.

	27-02-2004 14:46									#284
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DoY: Yes. The only thing you export to BGII is your main character, the PC.

	27-02-2004 17:18									#285
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Remember if people got killed in BG1, that maybe someone dragged them to a temple and had them raised...

-Jam

	27-02-2004 17:27									#286
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God knows why they bothered with Montaron though. I'd have just left him to rot (and did, in fact).

	27-02-2004 17:31									#287
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Montarion has EXCELLENT stats actually, and he's one of my favorite multi-classes - Fighter/Thief.

He can use a bow with a decent ThacO, or back-stab and actually hit, while always getting more thief skills.

Oh - you have to let Xzar die, but who cares?

-Jam

	27-02-2004 17:47									#288
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Huh!

When do I have to let Xvar die?
I mean, he won't be with us for much longer, because as soon as I can get Imoen to 100% Find Traps, she's the new wizard, and I may well be tempted to pick up another one along the way, depending upon how well Imoen levels up, and how tough the monsties are at that point in the game.

	27-02-2004 17:52									#289
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You know tat Imoen will lose her thieving abilities until she gets to the level above her thief level, as a mage. So I'm guessing it will be level 4 to get 100% traps, so she'll have to go from a level 1 to a level 5 mage before she gets those abilities back.

	27-02-2004 18:01									#290
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I get the hint regarding the Harpers, but I haven't been back there yet. I was working through Renal's quest but ran up against some gollems that my party can't seem to handle. How does one deal with a Stone Gollem??

Speaking of dead BG1 NPCs, I ran into Edwin, and one of my conversation choices was something like "I thought you were dead last time I saw you." Apparently someone must have dragged him to a temple and raised him.

Anyway, after fleeing the gollems, I started opening more doors in the Copper Coronet and stumbled into the slave quest. That's been fun (and doable so far). I've gotten through the sewers and into the slaver place, killed a bunch of people (and things) and I am about to face some wizards. But then I had to leave for work.

	27-02-2004 18:02									#291
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I know tat!
That's why I'm thinking about when I should do it. Sooner rather than later, but I want her to have half-decent thief skills by the time she takes up her new career.

	27-02-2004 18:17									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie How does one deal with a Stone Gollem??

IIRC it needs hand to hand magical weapons. Clay Golems need +1 or better blunt weapons, but I think piercing, slashing and blunt weapons work for Stone Golems.

quote: Originally posted by Stuie Anyway, after fleeing the gollems, I started opening more doors in the Copper Coronet and stumbled into the slave quest. That's been fun (and doable so far). I've gotten through the sewers and into the slaver place, killed a bunch of people (and things) and I am about to face some wizards. But then I had to leave for work.

Slaver stockade For a good team, it's the firt quest to do. Decent XP, fun and goes well with their ideology. Did you do anything interesting in the sewers? It might help with the Stone Golems if you did.

	27-02-2004 18:25									#293
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Did you do anything interesting in the sewers? It might help with the Stone Golems if you did.

Not yet - I managed to get right to the slaver compound with little fuss. I did run into some kobolds that just talked to me - they didn't attack. Should I kill them anyway? I figured leave them be if they don't want a fight. Maybe I'm being too Lawful Good. Anyway, I'll probably poke around the sewers more after dealing with the slavers.

By the way, I am running a "Good" party. My character is a Paladin/Cavalier, and so I'm trying to stay in character. Next time through I'll probably play a Chaotic/Neutral Thief/Mage and see where that takes me. But for now it's strictly goody-goody.

	27-02-2004 18:39									#294
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Ahhh... If you're a Cavalier, then you *definately* want to be poking around in the sewer.

I presume the cavalier is up 4 in two handed sword and 2 in two handed weapons style? If so he will be a fantastic character later

	27-02-2004 18:48									#295
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I presume the cavalier is up 4 in two handed sword and 2 in two handed weapons style? If so he will be a fantastic character later

Well, I always had this thing for morning stars.... and I made the mistake of trying to spread out my proficiencies (in BG1 - and I was using tutu so no chance to redo them at the beginning of BG2) instead of specializing. Hope this doesn't hurt me too bad down the road.

I was going to use Minsc as my two-handed-sword guy.

	27-02-2004 18:54									#296
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Actually, it hurts you less in BGII. In BGI, having 3, 4 or 5 points in a weapon gives you much better to hit and damage. In BGII it gives you a better spoeed factor, and marginally better to hit or damage. Having 2 is important though, you get an extra half attack and a better to hit an damage.

However IMHO not having a two handed sword with your Cavalier will hurt you. This spoiler won't affect you now, since you can't use it, but I thought I'd spoiler it just in case:

spoiler(highlight to read): The best weapon in the game is a two handed sword usable only by Paladins. The Holy Avenger: D12+5 damage, +5 to hit, dispel magic on target when it hits and a couple of immunities, IIRC

	27-02-2004 18:57									#297
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spoiler(highlight to read): But doesn't that mean that whenever you hit a monstie you have cast a spell on, it dispels it. So it wouldn't be worthwhile casting a spell that had an effect over more than one turn on your enemies because the paladin will just dispel it whenever he gets a hit in.

	27-02-2004 19:01									#298
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spoiler(highlight to read): But you use it on wizards with magical protections.... Drogue also forgot the +2d6 damage vs Evil creatures

Xzar has to die if you JUST want Montarion. Normally you have to have both, or neither. Just send Xzar to fight a bear unarmed

-Jam

	27-02-2004 19:11									#299
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Thanks for that!

spoiler(highlight to read): Huh, Drogue must be pretty dumb to miss something as obvious as the +2D6 against evil. This thread is becoming dominated by spoilers sections, don't you think? Weird. Even for a dummy like Drogue.

	27-02-2004 19:18									#300
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DoY: I don't have the manual here, I can't remember all the details. So many weapons in BGII have bonuses against characters of certain alignments. Many have special abilities, changes to the character, etc. It's no longer a case of choose the highest +x weapon (even though it is).