01-02-2004 23:51									#31
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Why are we making people change, and not making a new non-allergenic type of peanut?

	01-02-2004 23:56									#32
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Erm, that's a pretty good idea, but changing that allergy is good, since it's not only in the peanuts. ( oh, and yes, it's a very dangerous desease)

	01-02-2004 23:57									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I found this funny. Assuming your wheezing WAS bothersome, how does moving you back a grade help?? Wouldn'y you just be bothering some different people??

Correct-o mundo, but logic was apparently not a prerequisite for principles in those days. It turned out that the complaints came from parents of kids who didn't even sit near me. I was not well liked by this class because of some of my views on certain controversies. Views like: "Just because President Kennedy was a Catholic doesn't make his assasination a good thing." "The Civil War was too about slavery." "Martin Luther King is not a commie just because he sticks up for black people." "I'm not a commie just because I don't believe that black people oughta be forced to have their own bathrooms, buses, and schools."

	01-02-2004 23:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove One aspect of the peanut allergy problem that we could do something about is to reverse the FDA ruling allowing food manufacturers to switch vegetable oils in their products without identifying the specific oil used in the product on the label. Years ago FDA rules required manufacturers to identify each ingredient in a product specifically. If a manufqacturer wanted to change an ingredient he would have to change the label also. Manufacturers discovered that they could often change oils in their product taking advantage of the cheapest oil available without compromising the taste. They asked for and got the right to be able put on the label of their product the generic term "vegetable oils".

A lot of products now have the label, "May contain peanuts."

	01-02-2004 23:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Why are we making people change...

That swings both ways. Why should we force the rest of the school to change just for one or two kids?

I have bad asthma, but did that stop the rest of the gym class from going outside in the middle of winter for the mile run? No. I just walked it a little and sat on the side.

Besides, I thought it was a blessing.

	02-02-2004 00:04									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi A lot of products now have the label, "May contain peanuts."

Ya -- big help there since they stick that on pretty much everything they make. Its usually just to cover their own behinds and has nothing to do with any assessment of whether the product actually does have peanuts.

	02-02-2004 00:09									#37
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"Are some people too weak to live?"

of course but murder is illegal.

	02-02-2004 00:14									#38
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to the thread title: yes.

evolution has done a bang up job of weeding out the weak and letting the strong survive, "sirvival of the fittest" and all that garb. humanity and human compassion seem to work conversely to that end, and we end up saving our weak, the ones who would die off if society had not coddled them.

it's going to sound horrible when i say this, but we save far too many people, and make far too many accomodations for those two weak to survive on their own. i must admit that there is a line, however. for example, physically handicapped people that are at full mental capacity. in my eyes, yes they should be saved. there are various people that i personally balieve should not be saved, but i will not mention specifics because i do not wish to offend anyone here who knows / is related to anyone i would mention.

i find it hillarious when people use the phrase "who are you to play god?!" in movies and such, because we do it every day. why is it that we only use that phrase when someone's doing something contraversial to certain groups? for example, every medicine you can think of, especially those that save lives, are us playing god. in the wild, those people would have died, and that would be that. we made a magic pill, and we defy nature, and play god. but when someone wants to clone a sheep, "WHO ARE YOU TO PLAY GOD?".

i'm getting waaaay off topic, so i'll stop there.

	02-02-2004 00:15									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer "Are some people too weak to live?" of course but murder is illegal.

not if the state does it.

	02-02-2004 00:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Ya -- big help there since they stick that on pretty much everything they make. Its usually just to cover their own behinds and has nothing to do with any assessment of whether the product actually does have peanuts.

Still better than saying nothing about it.

	02-02-2004 00:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 Dude, do not breed either.

I have no intention of doing so. Breeding is a bad thing. There are too many children who need parents to be playing with genetics for fun.

	02-02-2004 00:18									#42
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I have no intention of doing so. Breeding is a bad thing. There are too many children who need parents to be playing with genetics for fun.

although i'd bet your genetics are some of the better ones, people need to start realizing this.

	02-02-2004 00:43									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Uber KruX not if the state does it.

it would still be genocide.

Like I said, I don't support murder. I just think these kids should be sent to special schools, not public schools. I mean come on! This kid has to have a nurse follow him around in order to administer the shot in a timely manner to prevent his death. He probably can't administer the shot himself because he probably has an asthma attack at the same time he has a peanut allergic reaction.

But why could this person not sue to have peanuts banned throughout the U.S.? It endangers his life.

	02-02-2004 00:52									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I hate people who use that word... Mormons really hate that word, along with "God" "Jesus" "Damn" "Hot" "Sex" "Porn" "Ungodly", amongst others.

Tass finally admits he's a mormon.

	02-02-2004 00:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Correct-o mundo, but logic was apparently not a prerequisite for principles in those days. It turned out that the complaints came from parents of kids who didn't even sit near me. I was not well liked by this class because of some of my views on certain controversies. Views like: "Just because President Kennedy was a Catholic doesn't make his assasination a good thing." "The Civil War was too about slavery." "Martin Luther King is not a commie just because he sticks up for black people." "I'm not a commie just because I don't believe that black people oughta be forced to have their own bathrooms, buses, and schools."

Wow. I know in my head that these things happened but reading your post makes it seem more eerie. Like you lived in another country.

	02-02-2004 01:23									#46
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quote: I have no intention of doing so. Breeding is a bad thing. There are too many children who need parents to be playing with genetics for fun.

	02-02-2004 01:26									#47
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I think humans breed too much... 6 billion people is WAYYYYY too many people. So many are only alive because advances in technology and agriculture... but without these systems, technology, or institutions, BILLIONS would not exist. The fact is, we are setting ourselves up for a massive disaster.

we need a nuclear war

	02-02-2004 01:28									#48
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erm, without fire, tools, and writing, we'd number around a million worldwide. hey, that means that the acceptable human population is one million.

We must colonize space.

	02-02-2004 01:29									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I think humans breed too much... 6 billion people is WAYYYYY too many people. So many are only alive because advances in technology and agriculture... but without these systems, technology, or institutions, BILLIONS would not exist. The fact is, we are setting ourselves up for a massive disaster. we need a nuclear war

wrong again

people are not breeding enough. At least in the western world.

	02-02-2004 01:31									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel erm, without fire, tools, and writing, we'd number around a million worldwide. hey, that means that the acceptable human population is one million.

I'd say acceptable human population is about a billion... even without technology, early human populations numbered around 200 million

quote: We must colonize space.

sure... you know what will happen, however, our bodies will adapt to the new environments... people growing up on places like Mars, where gravity is less, will have significantly less muscle and cardiovascular developed, and would not be suited to visit places like Earth.

	02-02-2004 01:36									#51
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quote: without technology, early human populations numbered around 200 million

erm, no.

quote: sure... you know what will happen, however, our bodies will adapt to the new environments... people growing up on places like Mars, where gravity is less, will have significantly less muscle and cardiovascular developed, and would not be suited to visit places like Earth.

Ok. But there will be more of us, and that's good.

	02-02-2004 01:49									#52
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If the school has to be disrupted in a serious way to accomodate the kid, then forget it. Schools are educational institutions, not peanut-free environments.

	02-02-2004 02:25									#53
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quote: But why could this person not sue to have peanuts banned throughout the U.S.? It endangers his life.

Cars endanger my life.

Large swarms of bees endanger my life too.

As do large holes, and explosives.

Are these things all banned?

	02-02-2004 02:37									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel erm, no.

if you are talking about stone age... then you are right... but post-argiculture, the population of the world (estimates) were between 100 to 250 million from 4000BC to 1000AD

	02-02-2004 02:37									#55
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quote: But there will be more of us, and that's good.

why is that good? people suck... more of them = bad

	02-02-2004 02:39									#56
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quote: why is that good? people suck... more of them = bad

I hope you get stranded on a desert island.

	02-02-2004 02:39									#57
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agriculture is technology is it not?

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quote: agriculture is technology is it not?

precisely.

	02-02-2004 02:44									#59
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Everyone who actually agrees some people are "too weak to live" disgust me.

First off, consider that it's human life. Human life--no matter what kind--has a value to it. Just taking out the parts you don't like is inhuman; it's still murder. This thread disturbs me, so I'll go ahead and Godwinize it by reminding you how the Nazis had the whole "lives not worth living" thing.

Secondly, "weakness" is only as weak as society defines it. Today, being a vegetable is weak. 200 years in the future, who knows what could be weak? Be careful with what you're doing.

Thirdly, "weak"--disabled mentally or physically--people teach us things. They teach us that it's alright not to be perfect, or even that it's alright to be much less than normal. Amongst themselves there are exceptional exceptions that show us how incredible perserverance or hard work can make up for nature giving them a shitty go, and they can still be prosperous citizens.

And, think about this for a minute. If you remove the "weak" people, there's still going to be a class that's weaker than the others. It will only be natural for society to adjust so that the line for "weak" moves up that much higher, and then you've got a whole 'nother class of citizens that are probably quite normal by today's standards but after the first cleansing just the bottom layer of the world.

Finally, would you like it if everyone was perfect? What would be the point?

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Not sure how much I leaned off the main topic. But the "I don't think some people are too weak to live, but I do think that some people are too weak to live" people started me off.

	02-02-2004 02:46									#60
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quote: why is that good? people suck... more of them = bad

Sava, go play in traffic.