01-02-2004 22:37									#1
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Last time I was checking the forums more in dept, I noticed there was a discussion about no one having a SL. Well in my current game, the mass production tech, brought more than mass production to my empire. Just to let you know that they do exist!

Any others lucky ppl out here?

just for the records I play on the world map with 31 civs on emperor

	01-02-2004 23:06									#2
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Yes people are reporting getting them, just not all that often. A few have even had more than one in a game. I once got three in a game, but it is not unheard of to get none.

Anyway glad you got it.

	02-02-2004 00:36									#3
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I've still never gotten one.

	02-02-2004 00:41									#4
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I generally get them every other game or so now. Oddly I haven't gotten any the current game as the Koreans, though I've gained many techs first.

	02-02-2004 01:13									#5
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Ooh I'm sure you will get one at some stage che gue

	02-02-2004 03:40									#6
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I've gotten quite a few of them playing the scenarios, but I've yet to get one in an epic game. I wonder if the percentages are different...

jon.

	02-02-2004 04:52									#7
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I had 4 in one of the single city games I played

I think it helped me completely dominate the AI, despite playing on emperor

JOn Miller

	02-02-2004 05:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by joncha I've gotten quite a few of them playing the scenarios, but I've yet to get one in an epic game. I wonder if the percentages are different... jon.

Should not have an effect, but they could have done something to alter the AI's method of researching. Allowing you to beat them to more techs than normal.

	02-02-2004 05:35									#9
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I've had a couple. Maybe once every 2-3 completed games or so. (Less since I switched to emperor, as I gain techs first significantly less often before the industrial age.)

	02-02-2004 07:10									#10
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I play a lot of multiplayer and I usually get a lot. In one game I even got two in the same turn.

One of the most exciting things that can happen in the game i think.

	02-02-2004 09:03									#11
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I've gotten one in an epic game (non scientific civ), and two in the Mesopotamia conquest (Greeks). Now, MGL...haven't seen any of those (except for the one you start out with in the RoR conquest)

	02-02-2004 10:04									#12
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I've gotten six in the first two eras of a game. *Flees from angry mob*

	02-02-2004 13:03									#13
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JW you have never used an ugly avatar AFAIK. Now about those 6 sgl........

	03-02-2004 09:39									#14
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I got 24 SGL's in the Ancient Age of one game last night, 7 in one turn. Ran out of wonders to buid.

	03-02-2004 10:19									#15
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Must be some confussion on this as you get an SGL from discovering a new tech. You can't discover 7 techs in one turn.
Maybe you mean MGL. In C3C MGL's cannot build wonders.

Are you talking about CivIII or PTW, instead of Conquest?

	03-02-2004 10:29									#16
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I think it was sarcasm.

jon.

	03-02-2004 11:12									#17
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I got one - didn't know what it was at first

	04-02-2004 01:42									#19
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 JW you have never used an ugly avatar AFAIK. Now about those 6 sgl........

I had Howard Dean in the middle of his shouting states and yelping speech for a short period of time. But I just couldn't look at my own posts anymore, so I had to get rid of him.


The SGLs were at Writing, Code of Laws, Mathematics, Engineering, Printing Press, and Gunpowder. The writing leader was used for the Colossus when everyone still had one or two cities. So the empire's trade was effectively doubled. That allowed me to get Philosophy, and then Code of Laws as free tech, and then I researched to Mathematics first as well.

	04-02-2004 02:32									#20
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I guessed I missed your posts during that period, so I stand corrected.

Well I won't need to wory about any SGL's in my current game, only surviving. Down about 6 techs so far and all civs are in the next age. I love it. I see no one has start the GL, so I start it. Next turn it was finished by someone. That is how it is going to be I guess.
SunTzu built and I am not even in that era.

	04-02-2004 02:33									#21
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the game where I had 4 SGL they were all in the first 1.5 ages

Jon Miller

	04-02-2004 03:05									#22
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and I thought I was lucky to even get one LOL

	04-02-2004 03:24									#23
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My first Conquests game was playing the AoD Conquest as Portugal. I got an SGL from each of my first three techs. Haven't seen one since.

	04-02-2004 08:08									#24
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quote: Originally posted by joncha I think it was sarcasm. jon.

Well spotted. Perhap's you're also a fan of Monty Python's "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch?

	04-02-2004 08:13									#25
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It would be nice if you could get more of these science heroes - can this be adjusted by an easy mod or edit?

	04-02-2004 09:27									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Thriller Well spotted. Perhap's you're also a fan of Monty Python's "Four Yorkshiremen" sketch?

Yes. Without milk or sugar. Or tea. And I used to dream of living in a corridor.

jon.

	05-02-2004 08:29									#27
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Yes. Without milk or sugar. Or tea. And I used to dream of living in a corridor. jon.

And I used to have to get up in the morning, half-past ten at night, half an hour before I went to bed......

Oops, going OT....sorry guys!

	05-02-2004 13:33									#28
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Well, I stated this once before, but its a funny story:

First time playing C3C. Took the Mayans for the Spear thrower (enslave).I think they start with Masonry and Alphabet (not sure on Alpha). My first research was set to Writting. Yeah! First one to get this tech! Bingo! SGL (yes, it did happen with the first tech in my first game)! Its like the year 2050 BC. I smile to myself and think "well looky here! I start with Masonry and have the Pryamids just sitting there to be built.". I switch my build from Granery (got pottery from another civ) to Pryamids and happily click the "Rush build" button. Lo and behold, the next turn I complete the wonder. Record time. Never seen anyone do it faster (except fanes7, who cheated to do it). I get two messages from the computer in succession:
The Great Pryamids wonder splash followed immediatly with the "Our Civilization has just entered a Golden Age!". The Pryamids fullfill all the needed traits for the Maya. But, like I said, I finished them in record time! I was put into a despotic GA with one size 3 city!!! Talk about a waste!

	05-02-2004 13:40									#29
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Yeah, I did the same thing once. I forgot they would get the GA from the wonder and had about 3 maybe 4 cities. It was alright as I had two of them as camps and just busted settlers as fast as I could and had workers mine as best as I could to gt the most from it.
The free granaries paid off.

	05-02-2004 20:10									#30
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Yeah got a GA too early from the Pyramids in a PBEM I'm in also. Kinda sucked having the early GA, graineries are nice though and they don't expire like that new temple thingie.