03-02-2004 01:05									#1
	Official Poll: What to do with Karina Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

We need to decide what to do for this turn and the ones shortly thereafter when war weariness is an issue and Karina is at size 6.

We can either run at 10% luxuries, which allows us to keep Karina as it is at size 6 (0 FPT, 14 SPT) or we can turn down the luxury slider to 0%, but this will require us to use a specialist in the city (0 FPT, 10 SPT) until we can get rid of it somehow (Settler, Worker, Temple, peace, etc.).

Last edited by Trip on 03-02-2004 at 03:49

	03-02-2004 01:31									#2
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Hire the clowns. 4 (albeit uncorruptible) spt isn't worth 20 gpt.

Why does the link refer back to this thread?

	03-02-2004 01:35									#3
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Hire the specialist. If it were more than just one city that needed the happiness then the slider would be the way to go, but that's not the case here.

	03-02-2004 03:52									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Why does the link refer back to this thread?

Sorry, the computer I was on was messing up when I posted this thread. First it posted the thread, but timed out when I posted the poll, so I tried posted a new poll (or so I thought) and edited my "first" thread (but stopped it in mid-edit when I noticed the poll had appeared). Turns out the thing actually recognized my edit, so it erased my original message.

Anyways, everyone vote.

	03-02-2004 05:56									#5
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1 shield is 4 gold, is it not?

Entertain them- it'll be cheaper to rush if it comes down to that...

	03-02-2004 06:10									#6
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This is a no brainer. I can't believe we actually have to poll this. Is it because ET does not want to use an entertainer and Trip does?

	03-02-2004 06:52									#7
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Well, think of it this way, is it worth losing 1 turn of reseach time with education??

I'd rather get the beakers stored up, before the settler in Karina is built.

E_T

	03-02-2004 06:54									#8
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Also, I would like to get some more food into Karina before the settler is pulled from it. Remember, it IS our new second core...

E_T

	03-02-2004 07:15									#9
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and at 80% research, it a difference of 2 beakers per turn less (using a scientist) and 18 gpt more if you do the specialist.

The main thing is, that it gives me 8 more food in it''s food box towards it's next pop growth. That's the important thing.

E_T

	03-02-2004 07:18									#10
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The important thing is that we don't waste 20 gpt (it gets higher every turn) on only one WF in only one city. It's ridiculous to think that there's even a comparison to be made. It's purely a numbers comparison.

	03-02-2004 13:23									#11
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The option "get her to finally marry Vondrack" is not there!

	03-02-2004 20:52									#12
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What is Karina currently building, what is the current shield count, and what is it supposed to build next?

I'm trying to figure out what the extra 4spt does for us. E_T has made clear what the extra food does for us.

My gut tells me to go with the specialist, but our empire is food-poor, and while you can convert gold into shields, you cannot convert anything into food.

-Arrian

	03-02-2004 22:23									#13
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Shield box is empty, having just built the FP. Currently building a "settler". 0 fpt, could get more with MMing.

I'd imagine that the clowns would only stay around until we either build a settler (3 turns at 10 spt) or prop up a temple (6 turns at 10 spt). Either way, it's temporary.

	03-02-2004 23:35									#14
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Right now E_T has it doing a Settler. I believe this was first intended to be a temporary build, but is now its actual one.

	04-02-2004 00:15									#15
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Based on the last turn thread, we did one turn at +0fpt/+10spt, with a scientist.

So next turn Karina will have an empty food box and 10/30 shields.

Just for the hell of it...

Does Karina have a marketplace?

T158: 0f, 10s. Switch build to market.
T159: 0f, 20s.
T160: 0f, 30s. Rearrange WF for +14spt, go to 10% lux
T161: 0f, 44s.
T162: 0f, 58s.
T163: 0f, 72s.
T164: 0f, 86s.
T165: 0f, marketplace complete. Lux to 0%.

5 turns at 10% lux does cost us 90 gold + 5 beakers (if using a scientist as we are now).

Or is that settler really needed for our REX phase? It just strikes me as a little odd that we would be using our FP city to help with REX... I'd think we would want to be building improvements in that city like mad.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 00:33									#16
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Karina doesn't have a Marketplace, and I think we're trying to cut population a bit in preparation for the palace jump.

Actually, I hadn't considered a marketplace (forgot we had three luxes). Gets rid of the unhappy folks, AND gives us some extra gpt from Karina (though it'd take a while to recover the 90g lost-- what's Karina's gpt production?). Excellent idea, Arrian.

	04-02-2004 00:39									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Karina doesn't have a Marketplace, and I think we're trying to cut population a bit in preparation for the palace jump.

when is that timed for? I can't wait to hear lucky ***** about it.

	04-02-2004 01:17									#18
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IIRC, it's timed for some time after the REX completes. Since the palace jump formula depends on population and culture of cities near potential palace sites, we'll probably build lots of temples, libraries, and aqueducts as a result.

But yeah, it'll be funny to listen to that person-shaped leaking colostomy bag complain.

	04-02-2004 02:21									#19
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Problem is that a Market will take us 8 turns to build. Meanwhile, we still have a problem when Apolyton is at size 6 (where we definitely won't be building a Market since it's not going to exist in ~20 turns ).

What we need is peace.

	04-02-2004 02:38									#20
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How long with Apolyton be at size6? Isn't it functioning as a settler/worker pump with unit builds inbetween to replenish pop? So wouldn't it punch out a settler or worker shortly after reaching size6?

Keep in mind, though, that if we did use the plan I set forth above to build a marketplace in Karina, we would be at 10% lux from T161-165. So unless Apolyton hits size6 before T160 and/or stays size6 after T165, it will not got into disorder.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 02:43									#21
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Ok, checked the last screenie, and Apolyton hits size6 in 2 turns, which means that we would need 10% lux on T159 to prevent disorder on T160. No matter, Karina can be configured around that if we do desire the market build:

T158: 0f, 10s. Switch build to market.
T159: 0f, 20s. Rearrange WF for +14spt, go to 10% lux
T160: 0f, 34s.
T161: 0f, 48s.
T162: 0f, 62.
T163: 0f, 76s.
T164: 0f, 90s. WF back to +10spt, use specialist, 0% lux.
T165: 0f, marketplace complete. reset WF however we like.

By T165, I'd imagine Apolyton will have built a settler, dropping pop to 4.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 03:26									#22
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With Apolyton being boosted with Workers from Lux, it will be (and has been) at 6 size about half of the time.