03-02-2004 11:52									#1
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Well, we are closing in on 200 shields in Tripoli. So we have a decision to make soon.

The tenative plan has been changed where we finish the Great Wall (200 shields, expires with Metallurgy) in Tripoli (to satisfy the Industrial part of our GA requirement) in a couple more turns, then begin building new improvements there like Market, Library, etc.

In addition to that, we build the Lighthouse (300 shields, expires with Magnetism) to trigger our GA about 40 turns from now. With our GA then, we can concentrate on building Unis, Banks and Wonders like Adam Smith, Magellan's, Theory of Evolution and even Hoover Dam.

	03-02-2004 12:15									#2
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also note that the Lighthouse will allow us to do the caravel chaining in case we decide to get involved in the other continent. Without the Lighthouse caravels only move 3 and it will be impossible to accomplish this.

	03-02-2004 12:35									#3
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Will we have a site for Smith's though? Economics isn't necessarily that far. Though we do have some power over how fast that branch of the tree progresses.

	03-02-2004 21:31									#4
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I posted this in the Strategic Plan thread, but I figured I'd copy it here as well, since it's about wonder builds:

Re: wonders to trigger our GA:

GW+G.Light
GW+Smith
GW+Magellan
G.Light + Hoover
Smith + Hoover
Magellan + Hoover

Since Hoover is likely to be heavily contested, I'd say that the Great Wall should be built. It satisfies our industrial requirement, it's only 200 shields, and it is unlikely that other teams (except perhaps CFC... oh dear, I wonder... Hmm, I'll come back to this) want it. Oh, and yeah, until metallurgy it will give us a defensive boost against CFC invasion, should it come to that. There are 3 commercial wonders out there for us to satisfy our other requirement.

Right, back to CFC. They are Ind/Mil. Their wonder combos for a GA are as follows:

GW all by its lonesome.
Sun Tzu + Hoover
Leos + Hoover
Univ Suffrage + Hoover

Right? Anybody think they are capable of building any of the combinations? So if we build the GW, are we effectively forcing CFC to use a Rider in combat to trigger their GA? If so, does this therefore increase the likelyhood of a CFC attack?

-Arrian

	03-02-2004 22:07									#5
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Forgiveness, please,

I don't know what the ground rules set down by this game in advance are, but couldn't we just give them a warrior to kill?

	03-02-2004 22:19									#6
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IIRC, technically we could, but most of the team was uncomfortable with it.

-Arrian

	03-02-2004 22:25									#7
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Fair enough.

	24-02-2004 22:12									#8
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We can build Magellan's soon instead of the Lighthouse. Same effects (+1 move; GA), only Magellan's lasts forever.

	24-02-2004 23:09									#9
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Why don't we start building Leo's, do GWT have any intention of building it? If they were going to build it wouldn't have been more likely to build it before all the upgrades they have made recently? Then even if they do build it we can pick up another good wonder, smiths perhaps if we can spare the diversion, but sun zu's or one of the science ones would be worth it too. In fact there's quite a good oportunity to build a bunch of wonders been as GWT have so far not gone after any big ones despite being capable of doing so.

	24-02-2004 23:19									#10
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Right. There's a lot of good wonders we have a real shot at. There's no way CGN or CFC will be dedicating resources to any wonders right now, and it appears as though GWT isn't going to either.

We could pound out Leo's, Smith's, Magellan's and a science wonder without anyone noticing (or at least being able to do anything about it). All we need are places to build them.

	25-02-2004 05:39									#11
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Apolyton Prime is....well prime for them!

Well, except for Magellans of course. How about Hispanica for that?

	25-02-2004 07:36									#12
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I doubt we'd even need to give them a warrior to kill.


Really all they need is a rider + a boat.....its not like GCA is going anywhere


EDIT:

Just in case i'm making it sound otherwise above: I consider it an exploit to trigger an allies golden age with a fake battle.

	25-02-2004 08:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by wervdon Just in case i'm making it sound otherwise above: I consider it an exploit to trigger an allies golden age with a fake battle.

Me too.

	25-02-2004 12:53									#14
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quote: Originally posted by wervdon Just in case i'm making it sound otherwise above: I consider it an exploit to trigger an allies golden age with a fake battle.

It's not fake if someone dies.

BTW, I'm against it as well.

	25-02-2004 15:48									#15
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The Great Wall may be the best bet, really. A GA is worth any two of those other Wonders, if well timed!

	25-02-2004 21:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Apolyton Prime is....well prime for them!

Yep. After the Granary E_T has a Market scheduled and after that we're doing wonders there.

quote: Well, except for Magellans of course. How about Hispanica for that?

We were looking mainly at HoD, since there's a lot of mountains (including iron) and a couple hills nearby. It has a better production potential than any of our other cities.

Perhaps we could use Arcadia and Bananatopia for science wonders? Being on rivers, they'd be able to produce a ton of gold.