05-02-2004 09:12									#31
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Exactly Trip. GCA delayed/ignored mongoose's ruling. Then came a time when combat between us was a possibility and GCA jumped at it and used that as an excuse. GCA ignored the ruling just long enough to find or allow a circumstance to happen that would make a good excuse.

yep Yep yep Yep

Like I said kill the darn galley and then that spearman.

Until we do that we have a weak arguement and that Rectum hole Lucky knows it.

	05-02-2004 15:48									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe An even more nightmarish scenario would be if they had a settler on that galley and founded a city , then teleported more units.

Yeah this would suck, would we even be able to deal with 15-20 war elephants, it would only take a turn to pull it off, GWT take back both cities, GCA build city over here, then take back one of the cities from GWT, put all units in it and offer it to GWT for peace..... Better get that galley killed....

	05-02-2004 15:55									#33
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You know... the rather obvious defense against warping a whole bunch of units while landing a settler is to prevent GCA from having any spot they can land a settler and not be attacked by one of our units in the same turn.

We should probably do that.

	05-02-2004 18:03									#34
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We should warn CFC about this to. It woulnt be nice to have GCA back on this continent, now when it is so close to be sanitized from GCA-bugs.

	05-02-2004 18:06									#35
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You make it sound like GCA is a virus or plague of some sort

	05-02-2004 18:17									#36
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster You make it sound like GCA is a virus or plague of some sort

Aren't they?

	05-02-2004 19:22									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe An even more nightmarish scenario would be if they had a settler on that galley and founded a city , then teleported more units and galleys to that city , or transferred that city to GWT forcing us to either accept it or attack it. I agree with Hot_Enamel, there are many ways for GCA to abuse the rules and get around mongoose's rulings - and Lucky will try every one of them - because he has no intention of making peace with us - EVER!

now that would be one ****ing brilliant move.

we wake up one day and see a new town on a hill with a 3 pike army defending. Yikes. Though ultimately inneffective, it would be interesting. Better for them to plant on the cfc side, methinks. a well placed city and some of their "luck" they could take out cfc.

	05-02-2004 19:31									#38
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How would they teleport Pikemen into that city?

	05-02-2004 20:31									#39
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster How would they teleport Pikemen into that city?

1. found the city
2. return/abandon the other two cities (making the new city the capital)
3. either found or be given a new city, move all units in
4. gift that city accepted.
5. magically all units in that city are transported across the world.

I think that would take 1full turn if done properly, very fast. Actually, the units would be in the new capital the next GWT move if I'm thinking correctly.

	05-02-2004 22:52									#40
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It could happen....let's be prepared and notify CFC of this.

If I had to bet, I would bet agoianst it though. GWT is going to be betting the farm in it's war against CGN. They'd be wise to get as much help from GCA as they can.

	05-02-2004 23:13									#41
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Personally, I think we need to bring this possibility up to Mongoose before it happens and get him to pre-rule it a cheat.

I just don't see any conceivable way a person can say:

Its fair a dying civ to teleport their civ across the world, build up a new army in total safety, then teleport the new army back to wreak havoc. I mean come on, NO rational person could see that as anything but out and out cheating. (which is exactly why the unit warping BS shouldn't of been allowed the first time)

	06-02-2004 05:43									#42
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BTW, mongoose pre-approved the unit warping that GCA did. Lucky actually asked beforehand. So, according to our admin, unit warping is 'acceptable'.

	06-02-2004 18:15									#43
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If it's a part of the rules for this game, they are going to use it again and again. I have never used unit-warping, but I do understand the power of using it. It makes the Invasion of another continent much more easier. Personally I think it's an exploit that should be removed from the game, but if mongoose accept it, then it IS a part of THIS game. So lets be prepared for an warp-invasion (c) of GCA.

	06-02-2004 18:36									#44
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree BTW, mongoose pre-approved the unit warping that GCA did. Lucky actually asked beforehand. So, according to our admin, unit warping is 'acceptable'.

You have got to be kidding!

Did Lucky make sure Mongoose was sober before he asked?

How can this be in the spirit of the game.

Amazing..............

	06-02-2004 22:34									#45
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree BTW, mongoose pre-approved the unit warping that GCA did. Lucky actually asked beforehand. So, according to our admin, unit warping is 'acceptable'.

Where did you hear this from?

	06-02-2004 23:56									#46
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From mongoose himself. I thought Trip was present at the time he said it. I beleive it was in #ISDGFAMTALKS, our open channel. I will try to hunt it down.

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	07-02-2004 01:00									#48
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I can't find all my logs. I did have to reformat my HD but I thought I tranfered all the important logs.

I did remeber a chat I had with miccofl that confirms that mongoose gave permission:

quote: This chat was on Jan 02, 2004 [18:20] miccofl: one of the reasons I gave mongoose201 access to our private forum was to cover our asses, we can't be cheating if the GA can see everything we do [18:21] BigFree: thats true [18:22] BigFree: maybe each team should have to submit screen shots showing that their builds are consitent without using any sort of cheats. [18:22] miccofl: although I must say he really pissed me off when he gave GCA licence to teleport all their units [18:22] BigFree: Us too, we really looked forward to killing them!

You can always go to mongoose and ask him yourself.

	07-02-2004 01:20									#49
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Unbelieveable.

So the game is going to become exploit heaven, GREAT just what a Multisite Demo games needs.

	07-02-2004 03:52									#50
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*bonk* Talk about a short sighted ruling. We have got to ask him what he was smoking, and also I think there is no doubt now that they fully intend to warp their whole army back one day.

To me this settles the whole issue of do we kill the galley, the answer is hell yes ASAP. We also have to make sure there are no GCA units anywhere on this continent (including CFC side and just off the coasts) and we need to put a sentry galley at any place where its fairly easy to cross.

	07-02-2004 05:23									#51
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quote: Originally posted by wervdon *bonk* Talk about a short sighted ruling. We have got to ask him what he was smoking, and also I think there is no doubt now that they fully intend to warp their whole army back one day. To me this settles the whole issue of do we kill the galley, the answer is hell yes ASAP. We also have to make sure there are no GCA units anywhere on this continent (including CFC side and just off the coasts) and we need to put a sentry galley at any place where its fairly easy to cross.

Remeber, there's nothing that says GCA has a settler on that galley; it's just supposition on our part. In fact, looking back on the save around that time, it looks a if that Galley and Spearmen came from Sanatopa or Lucky Harbor both of which do not appear to have ever built a settler. With their Galley being down to one HP left one would assume that they would land the settler ASAP and put the whole "build city-warp troops" plan in action by now. Since that Galley stayed put during the last turn I really doubt it has a settler or any other unit on it.

	09-02-2004 13:35									#52
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Ask Mongoose again if he thinks unit warping is in the spirit of the game. Maybe he's changed his mind and we can use that against GCA.

	09-02-2004 13:54									#53
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A fortified galley will see us coming with a full turn's warning. No way to get to them and attack before they can move and land a settler.

It is then up to us whether we have enough in place to destroy the settler before the city can be built and the blip happens.

	09-02-2004 17:12									#54
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Somehow, last turn, our Galleys in the north ocean were both fortified and not moved towards the lake (and that GCA gallies Destiny...). The Galley build in Lakeview DID at least get rushed. So, we are on our way to getting rid of that pesky galley.

Also, did we get with CFC about them sending peace (accepted) to GCA?? As they have had more than 5 turns from their last encounter, they need to try to get peace from them.

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