25-05-2004 01:53									#391
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Okay then!

	25-05-2004 08:00									#392
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Dimytes do you have all the first turns you have sent to me? If so could u post them here please. I think there is what 5?

	25-05-2004 10:08									#393
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There is only one turn that I have tried to resend 3-5 times now the last 7 weeks in order to get the game going. Why do you need me to post the turn here also?

Never mind, here you go again...

©Dimytes 2004

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	27-05-2004 21:05									#394
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There you go blackice. Now what?

	27-05-2004 22:45									#395
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Oh turn zero sent already. The rest will follow shortly.

	28-05-2004 01:33									#396
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87. Chlg 87 Dimytes vs. TheBirdMan Ended at turn 175.

I defeated Birdman with 4xPG at turn 175.


©Dimytes 2004

	28-05-2004 01:34									#397
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Challenge match Blackice vs Dimytes started. Finally...
Playing on a map created by someone else.

May the best Viking win!


©Dimytes 2004

	28-05-2004 01:49									#398
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*87. Chlg 87 Dimytes def. TheBirdMan (4XPG); Started Mar-2004; Finished May-2004; Turns 175.

Congrats Dimytes! Look out!!! Dimytes the Viking is coming!! Hide your women and children!!!

	28-05-2004 01:52									#399
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94. Chlg 94 Dimytes vs. blackice; Started May-2004 -- In progress.

	28-05-2004 01:56									#400
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Is ours a challenge Match Steve?

	28-05-2004 02:46									#401
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Yes!

93. Chlg 93 quinns vs. Gavrushka ; Started May-2004 -- In progress.

	28-05-2004 09:25									#402
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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes 87. Chlg 87 Dimytes vs. TheBirdMan Ended at turn 175. I defeated Birdman with 4xPG at turn 175. ©Dimytes 2004

We did not have ONE single "accident" during the game, I only lost a few troops against the AIs in the start

And more, Dimytes actually won the game much earlier - with his excellent start and I getting stucked on a small usefull area with sea to three sides and a barrier of ice and babarians (the babarians was my own fault, I could just have kept my nose out of those damn ruins ) on the fourth, the game was his from something 'round turn 50-60.


BTW: Ice.

Blackice gave me a (small) lesson in his Island-game.

quote: Originally mail from TBM to Blackice Ok bad boy. I have opened the turn before eating dinner, and I did see just too much. My meal was spoiled. It seems like you did beat me getting SOTL enough only 3-4 (or maybe 5) turns before I would have bullied you - but I will fight for a little longer (just to be sure you didn’t got some lucky punches). Anyway, prepare for a rematch as this game was my first with that Island-setting you use.

Blackice had actually about 30 SOTLs he wrote, so I gave up at turn 139. The number of turns he was "ahead" of me in science was 12-15 I now guess.


Now I have to see for a "victim" or two to make my way back to the top of this ladder (for rematches against the top-dogs ) .

	28-05-2004 09:34									#403
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Now I am going down as no. 9..... let me see, that must be CheckMate.

I challenge YOU Checkmate!

And I am open for one game more.

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	28-05-2004 10:26									#404
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Ahhhhhhh, I've got too many games....

	28-05-2004 14:39									#405
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Better pick another one Birdie...keep reaching and you find one ripe for the slayin!!

GT

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	28-05-2004 16:26									#406
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quote: Originally posted by checkMate Ahhhhhhh, I've got too many games....

Ok then....

Dimytes, how about you?! Do you have time for a rematch?

	28-05-2004 21:08									#407
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quote: Originally posted by TheBirdMan And more, Dimytes actually won the game much earlier - with his excellent start and I getting stucked on a small usefull area with sea to three sides and a barrier of ice and babarians (the babarians was my own fault, I could just have kept my nose out of those damn ruins ) on the fourth, the game was his from something 'round turn 50-60.

You see? This argument disappears with the dual-duel format. I lost count of how many times players blamed their losses on starting position. There are two other alternatives that I know of that make for fairly even games without dual duel -- 1) All islands (no ruins) and 2) Standard challenge match settings except with wet/dry at 0% and warm/cold at 0%. These settings make very even games without having to resort to dual-duel (that I know you hate birdman )

	28-05-2004 21:31									#408
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Yes I hate that - just because you KNOW where your opponent is.

And that makes it a war-game from the start.

On the other hand..... IF - just IF - we played with full number of AIs instead of 2 and if possible maximum distance between the human players, then it MIGHT be somewhat more fun

Want to give that a try Steve ?!?!

	28-05-2004 21:34									#409
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i like the dual-duel format, even if it means war. however, i dont like the way the result is evaluated, with the first to win a game winning the match which means the more aggressive player will win.

	28-05-2004 22:03									#410
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Both of you bring up valid points. I'm beginning to lean more toward options 1 and 2 above. That is, 1) all islands, or 2) 0% wet/dry and 0% warm/cold settings. That seems to give a balanced setting without having to expose each other's starting location, or play two games at once.

Birdman, if you do not like war-games so much, if you remember in our non-dual-duel game, in our very first contact, your ship-of-the-line proceeded to bomb the living hell out of my settler! Remember, oh peace loving one?

	28-05-2004 22:07									#411
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i, for my part, dont have a problem with chance benefitting one player (as long as it is really random which one ), as that makes for interesting adaption effects and is compensated in the long run anyway. randomness is part of all things, so ...

	28-05-2004 23:06									#412
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quote: Originally posted by quinns Birdman, if you do not like war-games so much, if you remember in our non-dual-duel game, in our very first contact, your ship-of-the-line proceeded to bomb the living hell out of my settler! Remember, oh peace loving one?

I am the most peaceloving dictator ever playing CTP-PBEM

Thas is..... as long as I am the weakest part

A little serious again: IF I once again should play a dual game, I would like to try out how it would work with a Math/Dimytes setup (max AIs) or Blackice (Island-game).

	29-05-2004 01:32									#413
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Actually I combine both wet/dry concept and Island maps. Generally they are fair.

Birdy and I are going to have a rematch as soon as I get the time. I hope to get them all out tonight.

Yes Birdy when we touched and you sent longships I went straight to mills. Once the longships were taken out I went straight to caravans and infra. Once that was done I had all cities timed to pump out sol's So I had quite a few turns on ya with the sols.

I had 30 out and another 12 on the way, was a good game though you played it quite well.

	29-05-2004 03:40									#414
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All games off and running now, er ecept Keygen's what's up Key did I forget something?

Not that it would be a surprise if I did.

	29-05-2004 09:04									#415
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Are they challenge matches Ice? Can you post the ones that you started so I can post them on the ladder board? Thanks!

	29-05-2004 09:47									#416
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Blackice and my game was a challengematch, started 29th february 2004.

He and I switch place (me one step down, Blackice one up ).

	29-05-2004 10:21									#417
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Rematch Blackice/TheBirdMan just started.

	29-05-2004 11:46									#418
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Birdman, I always have time for a rematch. Í can't get enough games =)

Since I won the first match and you are challenging me you choose the settings on the second map and set up the game. Tell me what settings you used.

©Dimytes 2004

	29-05-2004 19:08									#419
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Ok..Challenge Match Johnny Cartoony versus Grandpa Troll started 5-29-04

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=115814 this is the link to post in a thread titled "Grandpa Troll's Looney Tunes"

Ok..Hope this fairs better than past matches!!

Time will tell!


Peace

Grandpa Troll

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	30-05-2004 02:11									#420
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quote: Originally posted by quinns There are two other alternatives that I know of that make for fairly even games without dual duel -- 1) All islands (no ruins) and 2) Standard challenge match settings except with wet/dry at 0% and warm/cold at 0%. These settings make very even games without having to resort to dual-duel (that I know you hate birdman )

actually, there is one more:
playing with as many civs as possible (usually 8) and seed the players on 6th and 8th place. this way, both will have equally bad starting positions.

of course, 7 and 8 are possible too, but then you risk being systematically neighboured instead of having a rather random distance.