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Zylka
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OH WELL AREN'T WE JUST PEACHY THEN
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:33
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You know Asher, it is nice to see you know a bunch of people in the oil industry- a few caveats:
most people in the world, canada or the US or anywhere else, don;t happen to work in the oil industry, or other similar industries. they are hardly ever indicative of anything that can be termed as average.
Most people with technical degree will end up working for serivce industries, NOT companies dragging out the mineral wealth of the world. Or do you disgagree with this premise?
To continue- in most service sector jobs, the big money is in management, and there is a huge pool of people in non-technical fields in such campanies that in general move up faster than tech people, if only becuase tech are more necessary where they are then these other workers.
Even Zylka pointed out that yearly salary is not perhaps the best amount to use: for example, in NYC there are sanitation workers who, with overtime, make well over 60k a year their first year, no degree necessary.
So again, if the issue is which degrees lead to the greatest financial success (as opposed to, perhaps, financial security)-that chart you provided is a lousy one to use.
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Zylka
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With architecture hovering somewhere around entrance of 6,400 Pesos annually - I wonder where my secondary of Advertising would be included. Ming?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:33
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Originally posted by GePap
most people in the world, canada or the US or anywhere else, don;t happen to work in the oil industry, or other similar industries. they are hardly ever indicative of anything that can be termed as average. |
How is how an oil company chooses management any different from how, say, a technological company chooses management? You choose the more qualified people with relevant experience in what they're managing. You don't hire an economics graduate to manage a bunch of software engineers, for example. You don't hire an economics graduate to manage a bunch of civil engineers, either. Some do, I'm sure, but I'm also sure that's not a good idea.
When you look at most full-out technology companies, their managers mostly have technical degrees -- not business, marketing, economics, english, history, whatever...
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So again, if the issue is which degrees lead to the greatest financial success (as opposed to, perhaps, financial security)-that chart you provided is a lousy one to use. |
By the same token, you have provided nothing at all to disprove that starting salaries have a formidable effect on somebody's wealth.
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Zylka
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Originally posted by Asher
By the same token, you have provided nothing at all to disprove that starting salaries have a formidable effect on somebody's wealth. |
It indeed does - but not to the self assured degree you'd like to convey. We're number 1!
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:33
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Originally posted by GePap
Here is a link covering only one industry, one filled with technical people as well:
http://www.devicelink.com/mddi/archive/00/10/001.html
Noitce how the product desing guys in general make less than the marketing guys, even before other compensations are figured in. |
This is for one industry, compared to the figures I've shown which are nation wide for all industries. Further, the salaries between "product design" and "marketing" are nearly identical, but you also forgot about "R&D", which is where all the magic happens, where it has a substantial salary premium over, say, marketing. 
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Zylka
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What specific point are the two of you trying to prove, exactly?
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:33
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Originally posted by Zylka
What specific point are the two of you trying to prove, exactly? |
I successfully proved that it is not the case that only "rarely" do people with technical degrees make lots of money later on. The implication by GePap was technical degrees don't offer the same career growth as non-technical degrees, which has thoroughly been debunked and all that he can do is link to a report by a business school with MBA results, which are available to technical and non-technical people alike.
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Which is why I say, look for info several years down the road, becuase in fact any professional training will greatly skew things- and if all those coputer guys are content with 50K a year and don;t go get MBA's, well, they will not long term be in the big big earners. |
I've shown that in addition to having a higher starting salary, those "computer" guys also get significant salary raises each year so they're definitely very competitive.
And for the record, you should go dig up the December 2003 issue of "Canadian Business" somehow. There is a great article with lots of facts and figures about how MBAs have fallen from being great to useless in about 5 years. Salaries included.
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Zylka
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Aggy can come work in my Toronto firm as staff aggravant sometime 2010ish
Though I need pics of the wife first.. we're going to do a lot of office swinger parties at Zylcorp
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