06-02-2004 04:42									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon What it also doesn't tell you is that the computer guys' jobs are all being shipped off to India.

What that also doesn't tell you is that recent reports have said that to be unprofitable. IBM is still shipping "computer" jobs there, but those who have to worry are people with diplomas and the like.

IBM is one of the most prominent supporters for sending jobs overseas, but even they are creating significant net positive jobs in the field in 2004.

	06-02-2004 04:44									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Aggy can come work in my Toronto firm as staff aggravant sometime 2010ish Though I need pics of the wife first.. we're going to do a lot of office swinger parties at Zylcorp

I think I'll be looking for academic jobs next year. If that doesn't pan out I'm sure I can find something else interesting to do.

Not that I'd like to work.....

	06-02-2004 04:45									#63
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Good luck getting a decent job with a degree in filosofy...

	06-02-2004 04:46									#64
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Undergraduate degrees aren't worth that much anyway. You should see some of the clowns that get them.

As GePap said, you are better off going to grad school for a couple of years. Grad school is the new "university". And if you're any good, you can get paid to do it.

	06-02-2004 04:51									#65
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Philosophers are employed in all sorts of fields. One of our old grads is the President of some huge Canadian bank (I forget which one). Mind you I'd rather shoot myself in the head than work in a bank.

A technical degree doesn't make you anything more than a glorified mechanic.

Any graduate degree is pretty good - it puts you in the top 5% of the population. And with the dumbing down of the university system it actually counts for something.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon A technical degree doesn't make you anything more than a glorified mechanic.

You are confusing a technical degree with a technical diploma, my dear.

And I don't see how a philosophy degree makes you any more than a glorified homeless bum...

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Are you working on a Ph. D thesis or on a memoir, Agathon?

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quote: Originally posted by Asher And I don't see how a philosophy degree makes you any more than a glorified homeless bum...

and you want to meet up with him for drinks.. such a social creature

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quote: Originally posted by Zylka and you want to meet up with him for drinks.. such a social creature

I winked in the first line of that post asking to meet him up for drinks.

The last thing I'd want to do is traumatize myself for life by meeting the 'tard.

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Are you working on a Ph. D thesis or on a memoir, Agathon?

A thesis. Should be finished soon. And then it's the fun of the academic job market. I'll probably have to take on a couple of contract jobs before I can get a tenure track job. The market isn't too bad right now as a lot of people are retiring and every department needs a Platonist.

Still, it's not a done deal. Our specialist program has a pretty good placement record. The last few graduates all have good jobs.

If I can't find a decent academic job, I'll probably try law. A law Degree/PhD seems like a reasonable resume to me. I'm only doing the PhD because I don't have to pay for it and it was a good chance to get out of NZ.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Grad school is the new "university". And if you're any good, you can get paid to do it.

You mean like having an internship that waives your tuition and pays you a bi-weekly living wage?

	06-02-2004 05:36									#72
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun You mean like having an internship that waives your tuition and pays you a bi-weekly living wage?

+ a lump sum scholarship payment every year. It's not a bad deal - I was offered a heap more money in the States, but I liked the program here better.

Still, being paid to do what you really like is cool.

	06-02-2004 05:40									#73
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Certainly wasn't the NZ government that paid for that. I feel sorry for you working in Toronto, though.

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Certainly wasn't the NZ government that paid for that. I feel sorry for you working in Toronto, though.

Why, I like it here.

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"The last thing I'd want to do is traumatize myself for life by meeting the 'tard."

You might make alot of money, but what's the point if you're going to be an uncultured, unsophisticated buffoon?

	06-02-2004 06:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 You might make alot of money, but what's the point if you're going to be an uncultured, unsophisticated buffoon?

I thought that way. What's the point of being rich if you can't enjoy anything worthwhile?

	06-02-2004 06:20									#77
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If you're going to make ~$60,000 a year, you should at least know better than to use gauche and unrefined insults like "tard".

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quote: I thought that way. What's the point of being rich if you can't enjoy anything worthwhile?

OH NO my ijuxe player has like FIFTY TWELVE buttons to play with!

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Refinement is never taught in courses. It's always taught by your peers.

But it's likely that the obnoxious techie rich will remain gauche for the rest of their lives, as they spent all time with enriched geeks like them

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We seem to be doing OK.

http://www.brandeis.edu/departments...y/philpays.html

I don't think I'd want to grow soybeans, but we're everywhere now.

Actually, doing phil is really good if you want to be a policy writer. I can't think of another discipline that would be as good.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Why, I like it here.

Toronto is usually perceived as a flat and boring spread-out city, with expensive hoes, bars closing early, and expensive lodging.

Most people from Toronto I've heard of don't regret at all their decision to study at McGill's.

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PERHAPS you don't like Toronto because of all the brown people?

Racist

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quote: Originally posted by Zylka PERHAPS you don't like Toronto because of all the brown people? Racist

I've never been in Toronto anyway. I was only trolling Agathon. Besides, my beloved Montreal is full of brown people. What's cool about them is that they don't usually understand racist insults hurled at them in French.

errr...

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I love Montreal. Apart from the hockey team it is in most ways superior to Toronto. If I could work out a way to move there I would.

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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris I've never been in Toronto anyway. I was only trolling Agathon. Besides, my beloved Montreal is full of brown people. What's cool about them is that they don't usually understand racist insults hurled at them in French. errr...

nice try bud but the proof's in the pudding and no Montreal will NOT tolerate your hatred as well!

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Man I felt really ignorant when I went to Montreal. Even the fresh off the boat immigrants working at McDonalds were bilingual. I guess my five years of Attic Greek wasn't much use there.

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quote: I live in Toronto and it sucks because all these brown people live in it - Oncle Boris

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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 You might make alot of money, but what's the point if you're going to be an uncultured, unsophisticated buffoon?

I'm cultured and sophisticated, the thing is it's in a different culture and level of sophistication that non-geeks can't appreciate.

"Culture" as in opera and symphonies and drinking with a rugby-loving moron who teaches Philosophy and makes no sense is of no interest to me.

As someone who's in the humanities/social sciences you should realize that not all people share the same ideals.

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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 If you're going to make ~$60,000 a year, you should at least know better than to use gauche and unrefined insults like "tard".

See, this is the problem with the social science types. You guys use ten words when one word suffices. It's annoying.

Why should I use foreign words and long phrases when one half-word says it all?

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I had to read that one. Cultured and sophisticated? Most people are actually interested when I tell them about what I do. It resulted in sex quite a few times when I was younger. Of course, no woman could stand hearing about what you do - it's a good job you're gay.

And I'm not a rugby man either.