06-02-2004 02:41									#1
	TurnChat / Senate Session 15 - The Senate Awaits Increase Your PM Length

Thanks to all for their patience in waiting for the reports on TurnChat / Senate Session 14 to get posted. These are now listed and will be presented as the previous Session's minutes when the Senate reconvenes.

Please accept my apologies for the delays encountered in posting the minutes. They needed to be checked over by the President prior to release. And as my plantation is on the other side of our Country from the Presidents cattle property, well these things can take some time to coordinate.

For those that could not make it, feel free to leave any feedback that you feel could assist in the upcoming session of the Senate.

As I am learning, it is easy to contribute to a Senate session.

As a member of the Democracy Civ Group, you are already a Senator. You just need to show up for the Session.

The times for this will be advertised on this thread in the coming days.

Once at the session you can load the Sacred Save and participate as the session works its way through the agenda.

So maybe it is time to get out of the Pub for a hour or two; leave those maids for some deserved rest; let your managers look after your wood shops; gather your Axe and Shield and come along and be apart of the Senate Session.

Now, standby for news for the time frame on Turn Chat / Senate Session Number 15!

	06-02-2004 15:35									#2
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so, as FAM I have tried some burgains

Persia seems to grady, so they are out of the business. Spain and Egypt give the same price for Construction and Republic.

Construction = 552 gold
Republic = 865 gold + 8gpt

Egypt has the monarchy too. They will trade it for
863 gold and our World map
or
865 gold + 1 gpt

But I have forgotten to check what is our research level now

	06-02-2004 15:45									#3
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We have no current research...

I wonder if we spend some of our gold on internal items, will these nations still trade with us for a lesser amount of gold. They seem to be asking for what we have in our vaults.

	07-02-2004 07:32									#4
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always good to remove some extra gold before negotiating , seems to help loer costs sometimes

	07-02-2004 08:37									#5
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Hey guys...

What difficulty is this?

Alright, you must decide if you REALLY want Monarchy at all, frankly. If you don't want it as a govt, chances are it's a worthless tech all together to the human player. However, if Egypt is the only one with it, you could whore it to all the other players.

Keep in mind if you only get 20 gold for it, it doesn't matter as much when whoring because they WILL get it from the other AI's. Always sell to the one with the most money first, though.

Second, we should be whoring that map around!

The biggest eye-opener I had from the second game was how much that map can be worth! Sell it to EVERYONE, EVERY TURN! You're missing on free GPT if you dont. They all will buy it as long as you make one tile improvement/reveal one tile of fog each turn.

Third, don't put money into research, but at least have a scientist to work at minimum.

Hope that helps, guys.

Is there a map somewhere?

	07-02-2004 09:09									#6
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lots of screen shots in the last TurnChat / Senate Session Thread

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=107210

enjoy

	07-02-2004 09:35									#7
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thanks for the screenshota

	09-02-2004 03:42									#8
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Who wants to do a turn or two in around 2 hours?

	09-02-2004 03:48									#9
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Big Free, sent you email

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Sir, I have some errands to run, but am available again in 2 hours from this last edit... that should put me availble from 3.30am GMT.

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 09-02-2004 at 06:27

	09-02-2004 06:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot Big Free, sent you email ----- Sir, I have some errands to run, but am available again in 2 hours from this last edit... that should put me availble from 3.30am GMT.

Cool. That would make the turn chat happen in ~1.5 hours from this post.

See you there.

	09-02-2004 08:38									#11
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20 minutes to go.

#Civ3Dem for those on the Apolyton IRC network

	09-02-2004 08:46									#12
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree 20 minutes to go. #Civ3Dem for those on the Apolyton IRC network

For how long? I might be able to attend later.

	09-02-2004 08:51									#13
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we are looking 1 to 2 hours tops

starting in 10 mins

	09-02-2004 09:36									#14
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Turn for those that want to play along.

Deleted. Latest save is below.

Last edited by BigFree on 09-02-2004 at 10:47

	09-02-2004 10:46									#15
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We only played two turns this time. That took over 1.5 hours as it was! Please do not play ahead; it takes away from the "fun" of the game. Paddy will post 'minutes' of the game simular to what he has posted for the last turn chat.

We will settle one more city on the next turn on the Southern island and another city 3 turns from that North of NA on the Gems.

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	09-02-2004 11:21									#16
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TurnChat / Senate Session 15 Part I – As recorded by the Minister of the Interior.

Big Free enters the Senate floor

The gathering is called from the floor of the senate

BigFree: The Apolyton SPDG will be holding a turn chat in 20 minutes in #Civ3Dem. We are making plans to invade Persia! Please come on by if you have a chance. The save is here:http://www.apolyton.net/go.php?foru...&postid=2694687
Paddy enters the Senate
Kloreep enters the Senate

BigFree: hi Kloreep
Kloreep: Hi

Togas enters the Senate

Paddy: uh huh
BigFree: See paddy? 'If you build it, they will come."
Paddy: ah oh master of the north, you have mighty powers
BigFree: :P

WIA enters the Senate

Kloreep: Hi WIA
Kloreep: SPDG chat in about 15 mins
WIA: Oh wow!
BigFree: The time is correct, is it not?
Paddy: Hi WIA
Paddy: 12 mins to 0400 GMT, yes
BigFree: cool
Paddy: on the thread, theViking is asking for how long the chat will go, as he may be able to join later
BigFree: Hmm
BigFree: How about 1-2 hours
BigFree: tops
BigFree: I have to get up very early tomorrow
Paddy: good with me
BigFree: Ok, time to get started
BigFree: The Turn chat for the SPDG is now starting in #Civ3Dem

The minutes presented for the TurnChat / Senate Session 14

Paddy: Minutes of the last TurnChat 14

A Map of our HomeLands…

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	09-02-2004 11:41									#17
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TurnChat / Senate Session 15 Part II – As recorded by the Minister of the Interior.

Then the President gave forth the Command
BigFree: End Turn

Trip enters the Senate

Paddy: Persian settler moved 1 on that little island
BigFree: "Massive Barbarian Uprisings have been reported!"

Then the decisions were made / discussed / argued on where to move units
BigFree: Fields of Gold completed Barracks
BigFree: Suggest build for that city be a Warrior
WIA: Back
WIA: Someone in a new era then!
BigFree: yep
WIA: Two someone’s, in fact
BigFree: Ok, my plan is to get the worker "Persian Hatred Committee" to the Southern island. Madrid express will pick him up. Any problems with that?
Paddy: yes, tis a shame
Paddy: no problems here
WIA: How many workers in the Southern Isle is that then?
Paddy: 2 so far, will be 3
BigFree: Move Madrid Express 8-4
BigFree: Move Persian Hatred Committee into MADRID EXPRESS
BigFree: I want to move another worker, George, also to the island
BigFree: I want those Horse hooked up
WIA: 3 sounds good, anyway
BigFree: Move George into Madrid Express
Paddy: looks good to me 4 would crank the infrastructure down there
BigFree: Next is Thor's Sickle, the Galley
BigFree: Any suggestions?
Paddy: while we are out there, why not go check out the next island
BigFree: sure
BigFree: what route?
WIA: The quickest
BigFree: 4-4 then decide?
Paddy: ok
BigFree: Move Thor's Sickle 4-4
BigFree: Hmm, very small island there
Paddy: ahh well
BigFree: Suggests to move 7 mow
BigFree: *now
Paddy: yes
BigFree: Move Thor's Sickle 7
BigFree: Now, for BBJ
BigFree: 4 or 3
Paddy: 4
Paddy: ?
Paddy: catch 22 into the darkness
BigFree: Move BBJ 4
BigFree: Holy Shot!
BigFree: I see about 20 barb horsemen
Trip: haha
BigFree: Good thing they are across the water
Paddy: makes a great screen shot
BigFree: Yes, it looks like Egypt will take the brunt of that
BigFree: Al Gore and BigFurry both Irrigate
Paddy: the goodie hut will have to wait then....
BigFree: yes, for a bit
BigFree:

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	09-02-2004 11:44									#18
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TurnChat / Senate Session 15 Part III – As recorded by the Minister of the Interior.

What lies in that stack of Babarians…

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	09-02-2004 11:58									#19
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TurnChat / Senate Session 15 Part IV – As recorded by the Minister of the Interior.

Then the decisions were made / discussed / argued on where to move units
BigFree: Nuclear Master the Warrior
BigFree: Move Nuclear Master the Warrior into RoV for happiness
BigFree: Sentry Big Mouth in RoV
BigFree: Sentry Tommy gun in SAG
BigFree: Move madrid Expres 6
BigFree: Need name for new worker in Raiding Base
BigFree: Trip?
BigFree: you goota a suggestion?
Paddy: Raiders Crew
Trip: hmmm
WIA: I have a good one, but we should save that for later...
Trip: Wrecking Crew
BigFree: I like Wrecking Crew
WIA: WC is good
Paddy: OK
WIA: We'll save Panty Raiders for later, and for something like a Berzerk
BigFree: Rename worker in RB to "Wrecking Crew"
Paddy: hahahahahaha
WIA: And Raiders on the Storm
WIA: Raiders of the Lost Ark....

* WIA is on fire

* WIA runs out of the lab screaming

BigFree: move Wrecking Crew 9 (to Cow tile)
Paddy: hmm, heard that one somewhere before
BigFree: Move Sneaky Pete and acompanying Settler 1
WIA: Did I name Sneaky Pete?
BigFree: I dunno
BigFree: Set build in FoG to Warrior
Paddy: are we preparing to take Sidon at some stage soon
BigFree: Set build in RB to Harbor (We need to get th Horses back accross
BigFree: After we get some Swords built, yes.
Paddy: ok
BigFree: Well, I mean after we upgrade some Warriors to Swords

Then the decisions were made / discussed / argued on the Work Force
BigFree: Ok, check WF assignments
Togas: what did George W Viking do?
BigFree: he loaded on Madrid Express
Togas: damn
Togas: I'll have to dl the save for next turn, then
Togas: already moved Mad Exp
BigFree:
BigFree: I will upload it.

Octavian X enters the Senate

Togas: thanks
BigFree: Change WF in FoG from 8 to 7
BigFree: (gets one more food)
BigFree: That's the only change i can see.
BigFree: anyone else?
BigFree: Ok, I'm going to save the game and post it for those that want it.
BigFree: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/show...530#post2705530
BigFree: Turn is there

Some Clarification Required On Senate Dress Code
Octavian_X: This is a PTW game, right?
BigFree: Let me know when you have it Togas, and I will continue then
BigFree: Yes
BigFree: 1.27f

The Viking enters the Senate

theViking: hi
Paddy: hi
BigFree: Togas?

Then the President gave forth the Command
BigFree: ok, lets EndTurn

Togas: have it
BigFree: Damn, Spain has Monarchy now
BigFree: they are building Hanging Gardens

Then the decisions were made / discussed / argued on the Work Force
BigFree: Change WF in NA form 4-7 to 8
BigFree: Set build in NA to Warrior
Togas: please, continue
BigFree: Ok
BigFree: We need name for new Galley in NA
BigFree: How about "Gems Ahoy!"
BigFree: Renamed Galley in NA to "Gems Ahoy!"
Octavian_X: "The Southern Express"
Octavian_X: me, who cares.
BigFree: TO slow
BigFree: :P
BigFree: Load Settler and Jonny Bravo onto Gems Ahoy!
BigFree: Do not move Gems Ahoy!
BigFree: We need the units for happiness until next turn
BigFree: The Warrior will be built in one turn and bring the happiness
BigFree: But I think the happiness Warrior wont be built before it goes into disorder
BigFree: ^fom
BigFree: ^from
BigFree: Sentry NM the Warrior in RoV
BigFree: Need name for new worker in Bifrost

The President wanders around the Senate Chamber quietly getting several Senators Attention
* BigFree shreds theViking with a chainsaw
* BigFree steals Togas's cookies. mwahaha!
* BigFree sends hordes of lemmings over Octavian_X
* Kloreep|afk is now known as Kloreep
* BigFree pushes WIA into a crevasse

WIA: AAAAAaaaahhhhhh....
BigFree:

* Octavian_X is searching for BigFree + goatXXX on yahoo. WEEE 804 Hits!

BigFree: :ek:
BigFree:
Octavian_X: ^can't spell
WIA: :ek: Is that the noise made?
BigFree: actually, cant type

* BigFree is still waiting on a name suggestion

Paddy: "screaming reasons" name for worker at Bifrost after reading the above....
theViking: Saw
BigFree: done!
BigFree: rename worker in Bifrost "Screaming Reasons
Octavian_X: The next worker must be named "Octavian's Slave..."
BigFree: I think he should go to grass near SaG to mine
BigFree: any objections?
Octavian_X: none here.

* BigFree notes the name for the next worker

Paddy: none
Octavian_X: of course, I don't matter.

Togas departs the Senate

BigFree: Screaming Reasons moves 3-3-3
BigFree: DAMN River!
BigFree: he only moves 3
Kloreep: That can be our next worker project: removing the rivers. We may have to build aqueducts, but at least our roads will work
BigFree: Unload workers on ME to Cow tile.

Togas enters the Senate

BigFree: Move ME 4 then Sentry
Togas: damn
BigFree: where did you leave off Togas?
Togas: not sure, had to reset
Togas: I just finished Dl the save
BigFree: OK
BigFree: I will post moves in private chat for you
Togas: thanks

WIA departs the Senate

BigFree: Wrecking Crew builds road
BigFree: What about Rainbow?
BigFree: Move 2 then road or mine?
Togas: nice work with NA
Togas: 10spt
BigFree: Thanks
Paddy: mine
BigFree: ok
BigFree: Move Rainbow 2
Paddy: already mined...!
Togas: I've got unnamed workers in Bifrost and SAG
BigFree: yes, the tile he was on was mined
BigFree: Bifrost is named "Screwaming Reasons"
BigFree: Bifrost is named "Screaming Reasons"
Paddy: and the other will be "Octavian's Slave..."
BigFree: Rename worker in SaG to "Octavian's Slave"
Octavian_X:
BigFree: Move Octavian's Slave 9 then mine.
BigFree: Put that ***** to work!
Togas: .
BigFree: New warrior in Val needs name
BigFree: Any sug Togas?
Paddy: The Axe Grinders
BigFree: Sweet
BigFree: Rename Warrior in Valhalla to "The Axe Grinders"
Togas: can you hear me?
Paddy: hello Togas
BigFree: yes
BigFree: load and clear Togas
BigFree: Sentry The Axe Grinders in Valhalla

Togas departs the Senate

Paddy: Togas, I know that I referred to you as old in the latest Bugle... but I did not mean that old, honest
Paddy: just missed him, bugger
BigFree:

Togas enters the Senate

BigFree: We saw you togas, i guess you did not read us
Togas: I wasn't getting anything again
BigFree: Move Sneaky Pete and Settler 2
Togas: last thing I saw was Rainbow moving 2
BigFree: ???
BigFree: that last was a question
Togas: I think I'm caught up
Togas: thanks
Paddy: how far are you taking Pete and the settler
BigFree: to right there
BigFree: next turn settle
BigFree: New city at 2-2-1 of Raiding Base
Paddy: putting a little pressure on Jean, good to see
BigFree: Jean will be one of first Targets
Paddy: so do we move Pete and settler 2 then?
BigFree: Move Sneaky Pete and Settler 2

Octavian X departs enters the Senate (I've left. Isnt' that right, Cactus Chef Playing 'We Didn't Start the Fire' on a Flute?)
BigFree: Now, for BBJ?
BigFree: He can move 7 to reveal some more map
BigFree: Or back along the coast looking for path to Goody hut.
Paddy: may reveal new map. but we would be a long time getting there anyway, back along the coast I vote
BigFree: Quick Poll 1= Move 7 2= Good Path
Togas: .
Paddy: 2

The President wanders around the Senate Chamber quietly getting several Senators Attention

* BigFree drives over Kloreep
* BigFree drives over theViking
* BigFree drives over Trip

theViking: 2

* Togas abstains

Paddy: ahh the wise man and his vaste knowledge.... hmmm
BigFree: 2 it is
BigFree: Move BBJ 2
BigFree: oops
Paddy: 6
BigFree: Move BBJ 6
BigFree: right, as in option #2
Togas: .

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	09-02-2004 12:07									#20
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TurnChat / Senate Session 15 Part V – As recorded by the Minister of the Interior.

BigFree: Ok, Now for Thor's Sickle
BigFree: Unplug your modem then lug it back in in 10 seconds
Togas: I'm still waiting to see if your text will show
Togas: NOW it all shows in one big lump
Togas: I have a cable modem
Paddy: bring Thors Sickle home, possibly down through to the southern islands... opens the area up, and could possibly crab that hut...
BigFree: Move thor's Sickle 7
BigFree: just to see if there's more islands or not
Togas: anyhow, go on without me, I'll let you know when I see your text again
BigFree: ok Togas
BigFree: No island spoted
Paddy: none
BigFree: Move Thor's Sickle 9-9

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	09-02-2004 12:25									#21
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TurnChat / Senate Session 15 Part VI – As recorded by the Minister of the Interior.

Then the decisions were made / discussed / argued on the Work Force
BigFree: Change WF in FoG form 7 to Scientist

Trip departs enters the Senate

BigFree: Change WF in BMB from Scientist to 7
BigFree: Change build in SaG to Settler
BigFree: Change WF in RB to 4
BigFree: see anything else paddy?
Paddy: you are cruising along with WF

Then the decisions were made / discussed / argued on International Trade
Paddy: Big Furry Monster had asked that we trade some of our luxuries to improve relations with other Civs
BigFree: we have none to trade as of yet
BigFree: We have just the one Gems hooked up
BigFree: The city North of NA should get us another source
Paddy: my typo, they have some
BigFree: or two
Paddy: spain and egypt
BigFree: yep
BigFree: what do they want for them?
Paddy: good question, had not approached them myself at this time
Paddy: spain annoyed
BigFree: spain wants 165 gold for dyes
BigFree: not worth it yet
Paddy: dyes = world map and 180 gold...
BigFree: are cities are small enough
Paddy: hahahaha yes definitly not worth it
BigFree: *our
BigFree: Persia will accept 160 gold for Silks
BigFree: but, still, not worth it.
Paddy: yes too much
BigFree: Ok, I think we will save the game here and paly again another day
BigFree: 1.5 hours for two turns!
Paddy: cheers, thanks for that.
BigFree: Did I go too slow?
BigFree: I was waiting for more input at times, but people seem o be shy for some reason.

Togas enters the Senate

Paddy: looks alright. I will post up the minutes as per last session.
BigFree: Very nice paddy
Togas2: kill my ghost, please
BigFree: :P

theViking departs the Senate

BigFree: Paddy, if you can, please correct my spelling/typing when you psot the minutes.
BigFree: people don't need to read how dumb I am!
Kloreep: Censorship of the press!
Kloreep:
Togas2: .
Paddy: I will get on to the spelling

BigFree: Ok, game saved
BigFree: I will post it now.

Togas departs the Senate

Paddy: will have the posts up tonight, goodbye

Paddy departs the Senate

Big Free and Kloreep remain in the Senate chatting away.

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	09-02-2004 12:29									#22
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550BC demographics

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	09-02-2004 12:33									#23
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Ok, I am happy to provide more pics, just leave your requests...

	09-02-2004 12:39									#24
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Thanks Paddy.

Where's the pic of Oct stealing all the donuts from the Seante chambers?

	09-02-2004 14:18									#25
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VERY nice turnchat! Some remarks:

* Please keep an eye on those Barbarian Horsemen.
* Hook up the gems and trade them away!
* Explore, and sell our map every turn (see UnOrtho's comments).
* We're #15 in only one area!

	09-02-2004 21:32									#26
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Really good turn chat

It seems spain has changed the government type (looking at the diplo screenshot). After the save game is published I'll check whether I'm right

	10-02-2004 04:22									#27
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I vote that we don't land on the island with the goody hut and lots of barbs at all until such time as those horsemen are not a factor.

I'm only counting one result that's worth the almost certain loss of the exploring military unit from the goody hut.

	10-02-2004 14:41									#28
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so do I - we can use them to upgrade our berserks

	10-02-2004 14:58									#29
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leave the island to them.. even barbarians need some where to live,no use losing our boys to a fruitless and small reward island.

	10-02-2004 15:13									#30
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Ok, so we leave the island alone for a while.

What about where we take 'Thor's Sickle' next?
It is up to the North West at this time. As per the pic in Part V.