18-03-2004 02:24									#331
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We will not sell out our own country to Germany.

	18-03-2004 03:42									#332
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So what´s your opinion to the second proposal?

quote: On the other hand, we would appreciate French support in our Eastern claims. If they helped us in getting back parts of Prussia and Silesia, we´d lay down all claims on France, sign any treaty they want us to and pay with any of the above mentioned things.

	18-03-2004 04:36									#333
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Russia to Germany :

Our analysts have estimated that the price necessary to compensate us for the loss of Kaliningrad would cripple you. Such sums cannot be easily given. However, if you feel confident you can pay the necessary amount, we will hold plebiscites in Kaliningrad. Of course you will not have to pay if there is not a majority in favor of joining you, but if we are to hold the plebiscite you must pay for the cost of it whether or not it comes out in your favor.

	18-03-2004 04:39									#334
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CHINA to GERMANY (Secret):
We can send spies to Kaliningrad to ensure a majority in your favour.

	18-03-2004 05:43									#335
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France to Germany (SECRET)
How's about this then:
Leave us alone on Alsace-Lorainne, and we will look the other way no matter what way you acquire territories that you want to your East.

	19-03-2004 00:56									#336
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MFA Treaty News
Now that you have stated and critiqued eachother's demands, we will issue our formal, and unbiased opinion on what should take place.

1: Stop all military action, to prevent complications from arising

2:The demands regarding the government or governing of the people of the countries involved will have to drop. It is those differences between countries that make them just that. The MFA will not support subtle imperialism like that.

3:Imperialism of all sorts will not be tolerated. France shall give back all of the German Territories, as long as Germany conforms to the following stement that they issued.

quote: Note that we will pay for it, with money, trade goods, treaties, free elections, alliances or new European Union talks; So it´s more a purchase than a hostile take-over.

4: Luxemburg will be "liberated" and turned into a "free" state that is in no way under joint French German control.

5: SHould both countries decide to do so, then France could keep the Alsace-Lorrainne under certain "pre-determined circumstances".

	19-03-2004 00:57									#337
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Mexico to Russia

What's the price on some of your other lands?

	19-03-2004 01:13									#338
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Mexico World News

The Mexican Space Program is going well by Mexican Standards. We have installed doors in the "moon colonies, but we're still having a problem creating an economically feasible environment in which a person wouldn't explode.
Mexico has legalized all "soft" drugs for its people. The drugs, like everything else, are being produced on a massive scale for the people to enjoy in a hazy stupifying pleasure.
Ireland has joined the Morgan Freeman Alliance. The Northern Ireland issue is still being worked out. Negotiations are off to a rocky start, but they are, like everything else, expected to improve.
The Greater Central American Co Prosperity Sphere has, in the glory of mother Mexico, expanded to include Beliz, and El Salvador. Long live the proseperity of Mexico!!!!
Mexican efforts to rebuild the economy have almost improved to the levels that they were previously at. Soon, we will have an economy that will provide us with the funds to be able to post our stats, but until then, we can only smoke signal in vain.

	19-03-2004 01:54									#339
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Russia to Mexico :

Too much. Polls have indicated that our citizens don't approve of the idea of selling off citizens and territory.

	19-03-2004 05:17									#340
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear 1: Stop all military action, to prevent complications from arising

Our military is mobilized to protect the country. No offensive actions will take place from our side.

quote: 2:The demands regarding the government or governing of the people of the countries involved will have to drop. It is those differences between countries that make them just that. The MFA will not support subtle imperialism like that.

This is acceptable.

quote: 3:Imperialism of all sorts will not be tolerated. France shall give back all of the German Territories, as long as Germany conforms to the following stement that they issued. (...)

France shall name the price.

quote: 4: Luxemburg will be "liberated" and turned into a "free" state that is in no way under joint French German control.

Fine.

quote: 5: SHould both countries decide to do so, then France could keep the Alsace-Lorrainne under certain "pre-determined circumstances".

This would apply to the following statement:

quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell France to Germany (SECRET) How's about this then: Leave us alone on Alsace-Lorainne, and we will look the other way no matter what way you acquire territories that you want to your East.

We have hoped for a more active support of our Eastern policy then a simple "ignore". Like approval by France, political pressure on Poland and international justification given by France for the return of the old Prussian territories into Germany. That kind of support would open the door for a closer cooperatin between our countries... We´d like to hear your demands for this option.

While an "ignore" is still appreciated, it would have to be backed up by a permanent non-aggression pact and a more friendly representation of our country in French media to be worth dropping claims on Alsace-Lorraine...

Germany to Russia

Since the Soviet Union had expelled all German inhabitants from Kaliningrad and killed those who didn´t leave, it is forseeable that a plebiscite will result in a vast pro-Russian majority.
We thought of some kind of "friendly gesture" as a sign that history is burried and old debts are paid...
The friendly gesture on our side would be that we pay for it.

It´s just a town with a small harbour and some 50 km of land around it. It has no land connection to Russia and no natural ressources. The area has been German for almost 500 years and most of this time it held the royal palace of the Prussian kings.
After the second world war the Soviets obliterated the old town and rebuilt it with ugly socialist residental towers. It´s been one of the poorest areas of the Soviet Union and that situation hasn´t improved much till today.

We plan to rebuilt most of the old city, the castle and the royal palace as well as replacing the relicts of Soviet times by modern architecture with large parks and new industrial zones, especially "technology parks". A famous German automobile company has also agreed to invest into this area what would help the economic situation there.

All we ask for is to name your price.

	19-03-2004 05:23									#341
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CHINA to RUSSIA:
Perhaps you should give Kaliningrad to Germany.
In other news, there are now many Chinese in Siberia! Would it not be most unfortunate if they were to stage a pro-China revolt?

	19-03-2004 05:23									#342
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Russia to Germany :

We have looked into the possibility, and we hope that your friendly gesture in return is understanding that we cannot abandon even the smallest parcel of land without the citizen inhabitants' support.

	19-03-2004 05:27									#343
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INDEPENDANT CHINESE NEWS AGENCY to the CHINESE PEOPLE:
Would you support the liberation of Siberia from the Russian opressors?

RESULTS:
Yes: 70%
No: 10%
UNSURE: 20%

CHINA to RUSSIA:
Have you read your latest "INDEPENDANT CHINESE NEWS AGENCY" today?

	19-03-2004 05:46									#344
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quote: Originally posted by foolish_icarus Russia to Germany : We have looked into the possibility, and we hope that your friendly gesture in return is understanding that we cannot abandon even the smallest parcel of land without the citizen inhabitants' support.

Then, since you control the local media, we ask you to supply your "citizen inhabitants" with the information given by us as well.
Though we understand the general principle of not "abandoning" land, you surely understand the special situation this is. It´s not abandoning your heartland, it´s returning the former German capital to Germany... And since you would be paid generously, it´s a win for the Russian country.
Please reconsider your decision.

Germany to China (SECRET)

Many thanks for the support you´re offering us! Don´t exaggerate too much though, we don´t want it to look like blackmail...
Can we do anything for you in return?

	19-03-2004 06:01									#345
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CHINA to GERMANY (Secret):
Completly annex Poland. Please.

	19-03-2004 06:27									#346
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar CHINA to GERMANY (Secret): Completly annex Poland. Please.

(secret) With pleasure, but it might be hard to avoid another world war doing so

	19-03-2004 06:40									#347
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France to Germany

quote: While an "ignore" is still appreciated, it would have to be backed up by a permanent non-aggression pact and a more friendly representation of our country in French media to be worth dropping claims on Alsace-Lorraine...

Alsace-Loraine is FRENCH. We own it. We will not beg you and pay you to let us have it.

However, if it lets you believe that we're doing so, we will sign a permanent NAP and will follow our libel laws stricter when German articles are published. No longer will the newspapers say that Germans have the ability to turn their necks 180 degrees and spit out fireballs.

	19-03-2004 06:43									#348
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We agree with all the other MFA compromises, EXCEPT that we ask for clarification on this one:

quote: 1: Stop all military action, to prevent complications from arising

We don't use our military at all? We disband it?

France will agree to freeze its military growth (if Germany does).

	19-03-2004 07:13									#349
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell France to Germany Alsace-Loraine is FRENCH. We own it. We will not beg you and pay you to let us have it.

The thing is that we´re negotiation about the return of Alsace-Lorraine, and went to the stage when we said it may remain French if France helps us regaining our Eastern territories instead.

quote: However, if it lets you believe that we're doing so, we will sign a permanent NAP and will follow our libel laws stricter when German articles are published. No longer will the newspapers say that Germans have the ability to turn their necks 180 degrees and spit out fireballs.

So you won´t actively help us in the east? Fine. So the following will happen:

• Germany drops its claims on Alsace-Lorraine
  
• France declares its neutrality related to German affairs, e.g. it will not use German expansion to the east to declare war on Germany (or to make third parties declare war)
  
• France will stop anti-German propaganda through major media companies
  
• France and Germany sign a NAP
  
• Should one of the above points be violated by France, the whole treaty becomes obsolete

	19-03-2004 07:14									#350
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Agreed.

Unless Germany expands until it borders China or something.

	19-03-2004 07:16									#351
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Agreed. Unless Germany expands until it borders China or something.

That gives me ideas...

	19-03-2004 07:20									#352
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OOC:
Is it allowed to determine the behaviour of NPCs oneself? I am referring to the rapid expansion of the MFA. I thought the moderator plays all NPCs to avoid godmodding...

I mean it´s not fair to write things like "I asked a whole continent to join my alliance and it agreed".

No offence, bipolarbear, it´s just a general question that needs clarification.

	19-03-2004 07:35									#353
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CHINA to GERMANY:
Would you like to join the great Chinese state?
GERMANY to CHINA: Of course!

CHINA to FRANCE:
Would you like to join the great Chinese state?
FRANCE to CHINA:
Of course!

CHINA to the WORLD:
Would you like to join the great Chinese state?
WORLD to CHINA:
Of course!

China wins! Game over.

	19-03-2004 07:39									#354
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OOC:
Thank God he's playing Mexico, and not the MFA. So it doesn't matter as much. If he just tells Norway "WOuld you like to become Mexican?" and says they say "Yes", THAT'S fishy. But at least it's a step removed.

	19-03-2004 07:42									#355
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Still, I don´t see why an all Central American Alliance would be joined by Sweden or Ireland. Especially because some of us are working hard to roleplay everything out, it is just not fair...

So as the moderator you say everything´s fine till now?

	19-03-2004 07:49									#356
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Alright. Moderatorship action:

Bipolar, slow it down. A lot. Okay?

	19-03-2004 07:56									#357
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quote: Originally posted by Micha So as the moderator you say everything´s fine till now?

I meant this as a simple question, not as sarcasm. After re-reading that post I noticed one might get a wrong impression...

I´m ok with it then. I just wanted to know whether it was allowed or not, so that others can also benefit from it.

Thanks for the clearification!

	19-03-2004 08:32									#358
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I know it's late in the game, but...mind if i join in?

NEWSFLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George Bush and his agents in the CIA topple the American Democracy. Bush declares himself Emperor and puts down resistance (There is very little due to the fact that his re-election was a breeze. His autographed pictures and thank you letters got a unanimous vote from all military personnel).

America is renamed: The Imperial State of America (ISA)

Economy: 79
Army:85
Navy:65
Air:95
Discontent: 67 (Just overthrew the greatest democracy on earth!!)
Infrastructure:76
Education:90 (this is america)

NOTE: Utah has declared itself an independant nation. Has set up troops and is now ready for anything.

ISA To Canada: Would you like to join the ISA?

ISA To Canada(secret): Or else

ISA To The World: Wow! What a stalemate we have here!

ISA To Mexico: We ask for a peace treaty, so that both our nations may live in peace and safety (i.e., stay away or you shall recieve a very painful punishment.) Also, we ask that Puerto Rico remain part of the ISA.

ISA to world (again): our peace offer with Mexico is only to protect our soutern border. Please do not consider it an act of alliance in any way, shape, or form.

Orders: Prepare for invasion of Canada

	19-03-2004 08:48									#359
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Nylan Nolan: No problem. Guys, you can join whenever you want

	19-03-2004 08:56									#360
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CHINA to AMERICA:
Oh hi. Would you like to trade with us? We sure could use your....Whatever you have.

CHINA to UTAH:
I hope you all burn in hell!