10-02-2004 14:17									#121
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*shrug*

Basing greatness on popularity is very dubious. As is critical success at the time. Certainly Pet Sounds was blasted critically and sold the lowest of any Beach Boys album to that date, yet today we see it as standing head and shoulders above anything else produced by that group.

I'd probably also disagree with basing greatness on impact, because it's so closely linked to popularity and/or critical success. For instance, the Beatles' psychadelic turn (though incredibly influential) would have meant nothing if they hadn't already had the fan base to spread it out with.

The problem is that unlike many bands the Beatles haven't really been reappraised after the fact, so unlike many others their greatness hasn't been revealed later (The Stooges, Big Star) or been lauded at the time and then thrown on the trash heap of history (Fleetwood Mac- what was that all about?). It's difficult to base their greatness on their impact today precisely because it's been constantly hammered into our heads for the past 40 years.

That said, from their era the Beatles are not the most clever of lyricists (Smokey Robinson, Bob Dylan), nor the best produced (Pet Sounds, Anything by Phil Spector), nor the most emotionally riveting (Otis Redding, Aretha Franklin), nor produced a single consistent-quality album (Pet Sounds again, The Velvet Underground and Nico, The Kinks are the Village Green Preservation Society), nor the most poppy material (Girl groups, Motown most especially), nor the most rocking (Garage Rock groups like The Sonics, plus The Stones and The Yardbirds). They've always come across as rather unengaging to me, none of their material has made me sit up and be riveted.

	10-02-2004 15:25									#122
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While I think that most of Beatles' stuff sucks, I can't deny their tremendous influence. Just look at this:

Beatles: "She loves you, yeah yeah yeah"
Manowar: "Kill with power, die die die"

	10-02-2004 16:44									#123
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quote: Anything by Phil Spector

What about Let It Be?

	10-02-2004 17:26									#124
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People vote with there cash and the money trail says the Beatles are #1.

	10-02-2004 17:36									#125
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Beatles..?


Easily goes below top 1,000,000









Did I ever mention I can't stand those guys..?

	10-02-2004 18:20									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Hmmm... for those of us who actually were alive when they changed the shape of music for a generation... we know they aren't "overrated". Sure, there were many bands that had an impact... but they made the biggest change.

Enuff said..I havenet read all others posts but my reaction and input is the same..
Yung Whippers snappers..

Dun rezpekt der Elders!!

Just "Let iy be"

Ok..I really feel they have a great impact on Music..opened the door for many band..even unto "widening" the door if you will..


This post makes me want to "Twist & Shout" but I had better say "I wanna hold yer hand" because "Yesterday" all the Beatles seemed so far away now I am here to say.."Sgt.Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band" didnt say "We all live in a yellow submarine" or would get upset and move "Back in the USSR" after going "Helter Skelter"..

Ok..that was Grandpa Troll's mini Montage

Peace

Grandpa "DID-Live-in-da-60's" Troll

	10-02-2004 23:48									#127
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grandpa troll, dont ever do that **** again, its cheesy and makes you look like an overly wholesome, wink wink, nod nod, entertainment tonight anchor.

	11-02-2004 03:08									#128
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quote: How can anyone believe that Simon and Garfunkel are musically superior to Cream?

Sales wise, Simon & Garfunkel beat down Cream... we were talking about 'dominance' and money is on the objective measure of that.

	11-02-2004 03:29									#129
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 grandpa troll, dont ever do that **** again, its cheesy and makes you look like an overly wholesome, wink wink, nod nod, entertainment tonight anchor.

Hmm...Looking over the list I see that "Cant Buy Me Love" so I cant stop to get a "Ticket to Ride" over to Mr. "Paperback Writer" even though it was asingle "Daytripper"..I guess I could have walked but then I would have to cross "Strawberry Fields Forever"....

Ah yes

Grandpa "Not=-an-average-Green Bay"Cheesey" type newanchor" Troll

	11-02-2004 03:36									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: How can anyone believe that Simon and Garfunkel are musically superior to Cream? Sales wise, Simon & Garfunkel beat down Cream... we were talking about 'dominance' and money is on the objective measure of that.

IN DEFENSE:

A lot of people confuse The Great Eric Clapton's works from his various bands, Derek & The Dominoes,Yardbirds,Cream,Blind Faith,Traffic to name a few of the more prominent.....


But he is simply awesome....


Peace

Grandpa "Livin-in-da-past,present & future" Troll

	11-02-2004 03:39									#131
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The beatles are not my cup of tea, but they certainly defined British modern music at the time.