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Trifna is offline Trifna
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I think that we should let Firaxis decide on which subject they want more information while presenting them only an abstract. The basic product would probably be similar to the List 1 (maybe a bit less detailed on some parts), but with hyperlinks on some things that can get more detailed. For example, if they like a governmental system a complete example can be shown.

As an example of why I wrote this, just get a look at an idea I gave about system engineering... :



quote:

Goal

The goal is to look at what forms a government and to see how we could bring all this government in a few aspects. The ones I see are "System of values", "Justification of power", "Control system [justice, police...]", "Statecraft", "Administrative structure", "Economic system".




Definitions

- System of values: what forms the core belief for someone's life
- Justification of power: what is the rulers' justification for their power
- Control system: how citizens are controlled (justice, police...)
- Statecraft: who is put to direct the state, which necessarily implies how the state is ruled and its philosophy
- Administrative structure: the way power is divided between the main part the subdivisions
- Economic system: how economy is ruled





Difference with Civ 3 system, and this system's way to look at the problem

The main difference here is that it is about showing what structures and forms the government, not about showing a few possible results to chose from. In other words, it is not about creating categories like "fascism" and "democracy" as in precedent titles, but to show what is forming societies and, of course, someone can bring fascism or representative democracy (or what pleases him) by puting what forms that. ANY society can be built through such a system, in its broad aspects. Everything that forms a government should be there in a simple way.




Example that I brang earlier (updated, and not perfect)

*System of values*
religion - science - nobility [goes from European nobles to Confucius] - individualistic freedom - nationalism

*Justification of power*
theocratic - nationalist - militarily enforced - representativity - self-governance - nobility - technocratic

*Control system*
theocratic - oligarchic - martial - tribal or local - free for all [each locality organized itself as they wish and can]

*Statecraft*
totalitarian [includes king only, pope or else, depending on "justification of power"] - oligarchic [includes king + nobles or whattever else] - moderate democracy [some have more power, like actual democracies] - total democracy

*Administrative structure*
centralized - federation - republic - [Switzerland-like] - decentralized [includes anarchist local self-government, tribal local governance...]

*Economic system*
communism - soft-line communism [not following completely] - wealth state - moderate capitalism - complete capitalism

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Well... couldn't we sort of spoof that with the current system? Since we are writing summaries at the beginning of our lists that sum up the things, we have that covered. as for the particular ideas, we could just shrink them for the original presentation and have hyperlinks jumping to another thread where the full ideas would be described...

whereas in the submitted list, only the descriptive titles of the sub-ideas would be displayed... like so:

1.3.0 Combo-Civs

1.5.0 Renaming Civs

1.6.0 Voluntarily Splitting Civs

1.8.0 Hardcoded Numbers of Civs


And then have the BOLDED things hyperlink to the full descriptions... most of the bolded things would be self-explanatory to start with, so firaxis could get a basic idea of what the community thinks is important.

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Really, it doesn't really bothers me HOW you do it, as long as it permits to go more than just on global explanation that in some cases wont show what's really the point about it. (like the example I gave)

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