12-02-2004 04:22									#1
	Authorization to Assist CGN II - Transfer of Artillery Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

This poll hereby gives the consuls authorization to loan artillery units constructed or acquired by Apolytonia to the nation of Netatolia for purposes of military assistance against GWT.

This is a multiple choice poll, vote for all options you agree with.

There are two ways this can be accomplished - by direct transaction and by teleportation.

Direct transaction involves a CGN unit nearby Apolytonia's artillery. The CGN unit then attacks and captures the artillery units which are either located on CGN's landmass, or are transferred back to it via boat.

Teleportation involves a similar process except in the manner that the units return to CGN's territory. A city is gifted to CGN, where they will rush a cheap unit (e.g. Warrior). That unit then captures Apolytonia's artillery units, and they are all moved back into the city. CGN then offers peace + the city accepted. Apolytonia accepts, and the units are transferred instantaneously and directly to CGN's capital.

The exact terms of any agreement are to be worked out when discussed at greater length.

	12-02-2004 04:27									#2
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WTF?? Didn't two polls on this fail already??

	12-02-2004 04:35									#3
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The boat option is not feasible until Navigation. The only way this could happen is by the teleport method.

And it is odd that the issue is being brought up again. What sparked the repoll?

--Togas

	12-02-2004 04:38									#4
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quote: Originally posted by civman2000 WTF?? Didn't two polls on this fail already??

The previous poll(s) did not allow for the option of a non-teleportation method of transferring the units.

If the situation becomes desperate enough, the possibility of sending units on Galleys prior to Navigation presents itself. While risky and expensive, it may make a difference. With this poll we can settle the issue of artillery gifting in any of its forms for the time being.

	12-02-2004 04:43									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Togas The boat option is not feasible until Navigation. The only way this could happen is by the teleport method.

Depending on our economic priorities, we could have Navigation in only 15 turns.

	12-02-2004 04:49									#6
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I don't care if we teleport units, but I'm in the minority. I DO care about, and am opposed to, us suiciding full galleys of catapults in hopes that some of them make it to CGNland.

I'd much rather us just send them gold to rushbuild their own cats and defenders.

--Togas

	12-02-2004 04:55									#7
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oh BS. it won't be easy for CGN to get a unit by themselves into our land.

The process for the second option involves 3 "exploitish" actions:

1) gifting a city in a foreign continent
2) faking war to take the units
3) teleporting units back

now, under the first option, there is only one:

2) faking war to take the units

however, since 1) and 3) have already been approved by mongoose, it makes no difference to me by which method CGN chooses to approach the units since we'll be using the only not-yet-approved exploit anyway.

Thus, both options are the same to me, and I truly regret we had to repoll AGAIN especially when there's another thread out there cursing such abuse of the poll system...

	12-02-2004 04:56									#8
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also, let's be serious...

By themselves 10 cats will make a very very minor difference against the monstrous GWT army.

Assuming half the galleys sink en-route. 5 cats will make NO difference whatsoever.

	12-02-2004 05:08									#9
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No to giving them any cats by any method.

	12-02-2004 05:30									#10
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No to the other two polls and no to this one.

	12-02-2004 05:33									#11
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Transfering the cats by boat before navigation would be horribly wasteful... we'd be losing 70 shields in 1 galley and 2 catapults for every set we managed to get across safely (and then the galleys are stuck there unless we want to probably lose them AGAIN trying to come back the other direction).

I don't quite object to the warping of catapults only because Mongoose is letting GCA/GWT exploit this and I'm fine with fighting fire with fire. That said, I doubt enough people will approve that.

	12-02-2004 07:14									#12
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If we *were* going to sail units across the ocean, then surely we could use our galley space more productively than on 10 catapoults, and in this case why would we even want to give CGN control of our units, all we'd really need is a ROP.....oh and navigation.

	12-02-2004 07:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Thus, both options are the same to me, and I truly regret we had to repoll AGAIN especially when there's another thread out there cursing such abuse of the poll system...

what a waste of server space and bandwith

	12-02-2004 07:49									#14
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At least you can't say I started this poll MZ!

	12-02-2004 19:57									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I'd much rather us just send them gold to rushbuild their own cats and defenders.

Ah! And have you thought about what the Pirates think of all those gold-laden galleys carefully navigating through treacherous waters?