16-02-2004 14:04									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia prove it. and yea, im both druink, stoned and its late. not all people who use drugs are adddicts, such as myself.

Okay... I don't argue with drunk or stoned people because they tend to forget what I say. So what's the use? Sober up.

Your posting denotes you being at least drunk.

	16-02-2004 14:13									#92
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And by the way, the party I associate myself is in my signature. Don't understand Spanish? Too bad.

	16-02-2004 14:32									#93
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Arnold can suck it! I don't support these propsitions. TAX THE RICH! it is that simple.

	16-02-2004 16:14									#94
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Get a clue. The rich are taxed enough.

	16-02-2004 16:31									#95
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quote: Get a clue. The rich are taxed enough.

Yeah, and Bush never gave them a 1 TRILLION dollar tax break, wake up man!

	16-02-2004 16:44									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Get a clue. The rich are taxed enough.

Does someone here not pay attention to the fact that the rich have more, so therefore can be taxed more? What is enough for a poor person is nothing for a rich person.

	16-02-2004 16:53									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Duddha Yeah, and Bush never gave them a 1 TRILLION dollar tax break, wake up man!

Wake up. News flash! The rich pay the most taxes!

POTUS: Wealth redistribution should be illegal. We do not live in the Soviet Union where people are restricted so badly they are thrown into the yoke of oppression and human misery. If somebody wants to keep millions they make they should be entitled to. That is why I am for a regressive tax code. Progressive tax code is like a progressive cancer... a disease... that will kill the economy.

	16-02-2004 16:57									#98
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I never said it should be legal. I said that people who can help the most should.

If your house was burning down, and there was no fire department, would you want your neighbor, a trained firefighter, to help you put out the fire? Because, what you're saying is that you wouldn't.

	16-02-2004 21:04									#99
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I do not support either of these propositons, because I live in Florida, and they don't concern me.

	16-02-2004 23:03									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui For Prop 57, AGAINST Prop 58

Yieeeee, me and Imran agreeing on something?! Quick, check the ski reports from hell.

I'm for Prop. 56 -- The Budget Responsibility Act (requires the Legislature to stay in session & discuss no other issue but the budget once the deadline is passed; lowers to percentage needed for passage from 66% to 55%.)
I'm leaning towards Prop 57 [new bonds] -- although the last polls I saw showed it had only a 30% favorable rating.
And against Prop 58 -- We don't need anymore daconian cuts. We cannot balance the budget on the backs of the impoverished, the sick, the elderly and the students.

California is one of the fastest growing states in the nation, but we're only 17th in spending--which means we can't even keep up with current growth. Our educational system has suffered under a generation of financial neglect. Gray Davis was finally starting to correct it, taking us from 49th in the nation in per student spending to 33rd, but we still have a long way to go. Our health care and transportation systems are abysmal.

Sava's suggestion to tax the rich isn't far off. First, we need to repeal the tax cuts given to the richest Californians by Gov. Wilson. Second, we need to revoke the tax breaks given to commercial and industrial properties under Prop 13. And third, we need to tax all income as income--whether it comes by way of salary, capital gains, inheritance, or stock market investments.

	16-02-2004 23:41									#101
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quote: Originally posted by POTUS I never said it should be legal. I said that people who can help the most should. If your house was burning down, and there was no fire department, would you want your neighbor, a trained firefighter, to help you put out the fire? Because, what you're saying is that you wouldn't.

That is an irrelevant example as there is a fire department. Anyways, these people pay the most taxes as it is. So please spare me. And don't try to twist my words in your dumb analogies.

"California is one of the fastest growing states in the nation"

We are? Last time I heard the economy here was in a slump.

"Second, we need to revoke the tax breaks given to commercial and industrial properties under Prop 13. "

Last I heard businesses were taxed the most here out of the entire nation. Great drive away more businesses.

What this state needs is more corporate tax cuts.

And Gray Davis was a moron.... who screwed up the state... I mean he was cutting back on education himself.

	17-02-2004 01:11									#102
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Fez,

You are saying that the Libertarian Party is not in favor of a free market?

I'm sorry, that's retarded. The LP is against immigration controls, tariffs, taxes, subsidies, the minimum wage, etc. The Republican Party supports all of those things. Which party is more "free market" oriented, again?

	17-02-2004 01:27									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Fez What this state needs is more corporate tax cuts.

Oh, so you support giving the state so little money that, instead of cutting most of the programs for poor people, they'd have to cut all of them.

	17-02-2004 01:30									#104
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Fez, You are saying that the Libertarian Party is not in favor of a free market? I'm sorry, that's retarded. The LP is against immigration controls, tariffs, taxes, subsidies, the minimum wage, etc. The Republican Party supports all of those things. Which party is more "free market" oriented, again?

The Republican party, therefore that is the party I associate myself with. Is against immigration controls? I want more immigration controls, in fact I want the national guard deployed along the US/Mexican border. And pro-corporate subsides are part of my philosophy too. Anything to help the business, as the business is always first.

POTUS:

quote: Oh, so you support giving the state so little money that, instead of cutting most of the programs for poor people, they'd have to cut all of them.

This is what has to happen:

Corporate taxes have to be reduced. They have to cut programs for poor people. I am sorry, but there is just no money left. To generate money, we have to attract business. That is the only way. There is no other way. And your way won't work.

	17-02-2004 01:33									#105
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quote: Originally posted by POTUS Oh, so you support giving the state so little money that, instead of cutting most of the programs for poor people, they'd have to cut all of them.

You act as if there would be something wrong with government cutting costs.

	17-02-2004 01:34									#106
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quote: The Republican party, therefore that is the party I associate myself with. Is against immigration controls? I want more immigration controls, in fact I want the national guard deployed along the US/Mexican border. And pro-corporate subsides are part of my philosophy too. Anything to help the business, as the business is always first.

Then, as you must admit, the Libertarian Party favors a more free market than either you or the Republican Party.

	17-02-2004 01:34									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Fez This is what has to happen: Corporate taxes have to be reduced. They have to cut programs for poor people. I am sorry, but there is just no money left. To generate money, we have to attract business. That is the only way. There is no other way. And your way won't work.

There doesn't have to be no money left. All across the country states are raising taxes. Why should we not add taxes, not as much as other states, but just enough to increase the state's revenue?

	17-02-2004 01:35									#108
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Or cut spending?

	17-02-2004 01:37									#109
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Then, as you must admit, the Libertarian Party favors a more free market than either you or the Republican Party.

I don't call letting in a bunch of illegals into the country free market. I am more pro-corporate than the Libertarian party. There is another problem, the Libertarian party isn't strong enough and would never field an electable candidate, therefore I would never vote for them.

POTUS: Raise taxes? Then what? Screw over the state even more? We have the highest taxes in the entire nation. Raising taxes scares off businesses. Is there something in your head that doesn't connect?

	17-02-2004 01:38									#110
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Fez, do you have any idea what a free market is?

You can support whatever you want, just don't call all the things you listed examples of free market activities.

	17-02-2004 01:39									#111
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quote: I don't call letting in a bunch of illegals into the country free market.

I don't care WHAT you call it, but free immigration is an aspect of free markets. In any case, what about the minimum wage example? Haven't touched that one yet. Or tariffs.

quote: I am more pro-corporate than the Libertarian party.

Which doesn't necessarily equate with "free market". "Free market" doesn't mean "all laws slanted in favor of corporations".

	17-02-2004 01:40									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Fez, do you have any idea what a free market is?

You're a moron. I support a free market but with some protectionism.

quote: You can support whatever you want, just don't call all the things you listed examples of free market activities.

Did I?

	17-02-2004 01:41									#113
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DF, the party is not popular enough and a vote to them would be a waste. Like putting my vote in a shredder machine. And I don't like their view on drugs.

	17-02-2004 01:44									#114
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I don't care. I'm just pointing out that they are more in favor of a free market than either you or the Republican Party, in direct refutation of your earlier uninformed BAMs.

	17-02-2004 01:45									#115
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd I don't care. I'm just pointing out that they are more in favor of a free market than either you or the Republican Party, in direct refutation of your earlier uninformed BAMs.

They are for illegal immigration and drug abuse... doesn't sound free market to me. Free market comes with a branch of morality. I just don't see this party as a moral one that fits my moral views.

	17-02-2004 01:47									#116
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So sad how stupid some people such as Fez are.

Can't even debate with them over obvious issues.

	17-02-2004 01:47									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You're a moron. I support a free market but with some protectionism.

Yes, I'm a moron because you said you support a "free market" which skews everything towards corporations

quote: Did I?

Yep -

quote: originally posted by David Floyd I'm sorry, that's retarded. The LP is against immigration controls, tariffs, taxes, subsidies, the minimum wage, etc. The Republican Party supports all of those things. Which party is more "free market" oriented, again?

quote: originally posted by Fez The Republican party, therefore that is the party I associate myself with.

Are you back to denying what you said a few posts earlier? That's always been one of your most endearing qualities.

	17-02-2004 01:48									#118
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quote: Originally posted by POTUS So sad how stupid some people such as Fez are. Can't even debate with them over obvious issues.

The only stupid person around here is you. You seem to think raising taxes will makes thing better...

Anyways, there is a link to the party I associate myself with in my signature. It is the most accurate representation of my views.

	17-02-2004 01:54									#119
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quote: They are for illegal immigration and drug abuse... doesn't sound free market to me.

OK, whatever you say.

The ability to move around freely and the ability to buy, sell, and use substances of your choice are all examples of the free market.

quote: Free market comes with a branch of morality.

Back that up.

	17-02-2004 01:55									#120
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Well at any rate, the Popular Party in Spain is the political party I associate myself, moreso than the Republican party.

quote: The ability to move around freely and the ability to buy, sell, and use substances of your choice are all examples of the free market.

No... the system comes with morality not arrogance and utmost stupidity.