14-02-2004 00:54									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos That's our benefit, from what I can see. Even if we immediately end up re-establishing peace with GWT (all too likely given Mongoose201's rules), the WW positive benefit will be felt by Apolyton in perpetuity, helping to counter-act any negative WW we may experience in the future with GCA or GWT.

Oh oh. No, that is not true. I should have qualified. We get the happy bonus of the war vs GWT until we make peace with them. or those other things happen.

	14-02-2004 01:05									#32
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Oh oh. No, that is not true. I should have qualified. We get the happy bonus of the war vs GWT until we make peace with them. or those other things happen.

It was clear to me nye.

	14-02-2004 01:07									#33
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I lean toward GCA SUXXORS!!!!!one. But H_E's suggestions are plenty good.

	14-02-2004 01:48									#34
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Currently the plan is to just accept the cities, (rename them ) NOT rushing any units in them. We should be able to hold them out for 3 turns if GWT has GCA capture them, and even if that happens we slow GWT down sufficiently. However, it's more likely that GWT will plow right through and we can get a WW happiness bonus for a while.

	14-02-2004 02:41									#35
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I think we're on a slippery slope, but my gut feeling is to take the cities and keep them, at least until GCA is around, then perhaps we can raze them before GCA gets them. GWT has adversely affected our war with GCA, which wouldn't even be a problem now had GWT not stepped in.

We should show them that we can play their game just as well/even better than they can.

	14-02-2004 04:22									#36
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from my bad german, how about we counter with Hallo Laute!

it's german for "hi people" (don't know the word for "guys")

	14-02-2004 04:56									#37
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GCA could capture Boston in short order if they have horse near 'Hi Guys'. GWT gives city to GCA, GCA moves through on road and occupies Boston. If we are unlucky in how they are deployed now, we could wake up next turn short Boston.

All that would slow GWT down though, so I'm not sure if it is a negative.

	14-02-2004 05:45									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen from my bad german, how about we counter with Hallo Laute! it's german for "hi people" (don't know the word for "guys")

"Hallo Leute" would be a bit better

	14-02-2004 06:01									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius "Hallo Leute" would be a bit better

Holy Cow! I didn't know you were still around.

Nice to see you here. Quit lurking and post more often!

	14-02-2004 07:09									#40
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	14-02-2004 07:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Tiberius "Hallo Leute" would be a bit better

I knew I was rusty, thanks

	14-02-2004 10:53									#42
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Some of you people are entirely missing the point here... We're about to sink a GCA galley... Lucky already is going to have an excuse to continue the war with us. This mearly gives us a bargaining chip.

	14-02-2004 12:05									#43
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree Our plan is still to find GCA's Galley in the lake and kill it. I think we should keep both cities and force GWT's hand on both of them. If we have a chance to delay GWT one turn or a chance to cause our WW to be lessened at all, then I think we should do it. I've changed my mind about rushing units in either city because of GCA's presence here. We don't need to give the target in the future on this side of the map just yet. Originally posted by Hot_Enamel "Enjoy your War Weariness" "Give our regards to Lucky" These are fine suggestions!

I don't think I missed that point exactly!

	15-02-2004 20:27									#44
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither At Arne's request. First, GWT will suffer almost zero ww to take those 2 cities from us. They will not suffer a point the turn they declare war (+1 for troops in enemy territory is only if they are there at the start of your turn). If they send a slow mover for El-Amarna they will gain +1 ww point for the turn they take the city. As for the happy bonus that we would earn, why are people saying it lasts 5 turns only? As far as I can see, it lasts forever, or until +s to ww take us beyond the ww range where we get the bonus. I have observed wars where the agressor sat in defender territory with large stacks, and even attacked with little or no effect, and the defender kept the bonus through the entire war until peace was made again. If you wish to delay the turn, I could test this further to confirm, but I am fairly sure I have it right: we will have happy bonus until we lose enough cities/units or occupy enemy territory for a prolonged period of time. Last word, what I have not tested for is having troops in neutral territory. I've wondered for a while if that would effect WW, but have not tested it yet.

NYE, have you had a chance to test this any further??

E_T

	15-02-2004 21:18									#45
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree I don't think I missed that point exactly!

I said some, not all.

	16-02-2004 01:22									#46
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quote: Originally posted by E_T NYE, have you had a chance to test this any further?? E_T

Not yet. Testing in PBEM takes a long time. I could do something in hotseat fairly quickly if you think that would be useful.

Anything you want tested for in particular?

	16-02-2004 02:42									#47
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3rd party sitiuations, similar to this.

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	16-02-2004 13:09									#48
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I have some extra time tomorrow if nothing comes up. I will see what I can do, but I have already tested for DoW then quick peace. The happy bonus did not stick after peace with the new agressor to over-ride the earlier WW from a lengthy war.

	16-02-2004 17:24									#49
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I think that we are more concerned as to what effects there will be for GWT, if they attack us. I know that we will get the happiness bonus that will offset the GCA WW (enough to help), but we want to make sure that they will have some additional effects.

E_T

	20-02-2004 21:54									#50
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	20-02-2004 21:55									#51
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a bit late on that BFM.

	21-02-2004 00:45									#52
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HAHA


Not really sleepy. We can still accept Boston and/or El Amarna in the future as long as CGN has no units inside. City gifting is not outlawed, just telportation of units.

	21-02-2004 21:34									#53
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I've had some connection problems- that's why I'm a bit behind schedule.

What about :

Trip's Traveling Circus

?