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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
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Originally posted by Agathon
I love this.  No one is denying that the left predominates on campus, especially in the social sciences and humanities.
Most of the tories here seem to espouse some kind of conspiracy theory when the truth is that conservative social positions are at odds with reality and heavily depend on religious sources. The exception is economics, where they have done well in the last 20 years. If there were such a left wing conspiracy, then economics departments would be very left wing.
Tories should face the fact that when it comes to social policy, religion is not going to cut it in a secular society and most of what they hold is vestigially religious anyway,
As for everyday social conservatism, I think it is mainly due to ignorance. The primary and secondary education systems in English speaking countries are appallingly bad. Most students leave school without understanding how our society works or what the main political movements actually stand for, or any basic understanding of the basic facts of history. For example, most New Zealanders do not know who Napoleon was, or why World Wars I and II started.
Hence we have to deal with a large proportion of the population who think that taxation is just theft (not in the Libertarian sense either) because they have no idea of the reasons for why a tax system is necessary. |
Most of us are simply trying to avoid tedious arguments for which neither side can bring any tangible evidence.
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Oncle Boris
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Berzerker
If you feel the need to intervene, go right ahead. Just don't force others to risk their lives or pay for your agenda... Btw, why are the liberals the ones making such a fuss about the removal of Saddam if they're so strongly opposed to genocide and starvation? |
I don't feel like going through the whole debate again, especially with you,  , but here are some points:
1. the hypocrisy of the admin, and the false evidence used
2. the actual destabilization of the ME- security my ass! the war in Iraq is screwing things even more
3. from another viewpoint, the world was appalled by the apperent lack of self-criticism by America in the whole affair
4. and remember, the embargo killed more people than Saddam ever did.
Despite all of this, I was, personally, a mild supporter of the war in Iraq. Even though I despised the hypocrisy of the admin (esp. on the embargo issue, which, in fact, HELPED Saddam, by making friendship with the regime much more valuable), I had hoped that, for once, the Yanks would be able to build something at least better than Saddam's regime.
Seeing, once again, how they are screwing things up (you guys just CAN'T handle a foreign country right), well, I'm quite disenchanted and joined the protesting side.
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Oncle Boris
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Ned
Oncle Boris, Now, just what is your recipe for Iraq. |
I'm not sure. Bremer did a very bad move by discarding everything even remotely Baath. By destroying the secular forces, he paved the way for the Shii to impose a Muslim state.
This criticism is widely accepted: many joined the Baath because it was required to receive healthcare, or just to avoid being annoyed by the regime.
Because of this mistake, the new police force is weak, the fundies are gaining momentum, and, worse, 450 000 armed and trained men have nothing to do.
Hell, they could NEVER have rebuilt Germany without the 'former' Nazis.
If the US had done a competent job, I'd be satisfied- not that I hold Bush in great esteem, but at least I'd be thankful he didn't screw things up.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:33
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I'm not sure. Bremer did a very bad move by discarding everything even remotely Baath. By destroying the secular forces, he paved the way for the Shii to impose a Muslim state.
This criticism is widely accepted: many joined the Baath because it was required to receive healthcare, or just to avoid being annoyed by the regime.
Because of this mistake, the new police force is weak, the fundies are gaining momentum, and, worse, 450 000 armed and trained men have nothing to do.
Hell, they could NEVER have rebuilt Germany without the 'former' Nazis.
If the US had done a competent job, I'd be satisfied- not that I hold Bush in great esteem, but at least I'd be thankful he didn't screw things up. |
Well, if you the following my posts on Apolyton for very long you will note that I partially agree with you. I think disbanding the Iraqi army was a mistake. After all, is mainly the Iraqi army which is conducting the resistance.
I think the Baathist would have never cooperated with the coalition. It seems that Saddam had a plan to conduct a guerrilla war. There was nothing we could do or could have done to prevent it.
That said, I think the new Iraqi army will be much better trained and much more professional than the Iraqi army under Saddam. That army was a complete mess.
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Rogan Josh
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I don't understand why there would be affirmative action for right-wight academics. Surely anyone right-wing is (by definition) stupid and shouldn't be hired as an academic.
They will be wanting affirmative action for low IQ's next....
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Rogan Josh
They will be wanting affirmative action for low IQ's next.... |
own goal!
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Kuciwalker
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of Schmooism
Feb 2001
time: 00:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I don't feel like going through the whole debate again, especially with you, , but here are some points:
1. the hypocrisy of the admin, and the false evidence used
2. the actual destabilization of the ME- security my ass! the war in Iraq is screwing things even more
3. from another viewpoint, the world was appalled by the apperent lack of self-criticism by America in the whole affair
4. and remember, the embargo killed more people than Saddam ever did.
Despite all of this, I was, personally, a mild supporter of the war in Iraq. Even though I despised the hypocrisy of the admin (esp. on the embargo issue, which, in fact, HELPED Saddam, by making friendship with the regime much more valuable), I had hoped that, for once, the Yanks would be able to build something at least better than Saddam's regime.
Seeing, once again, how they are screwing things up (you guys just CAN'T handle a foreign country right), well, I'm quite disenchanted and joined the protesting side. |
What does this have to do with conservatives, except in a remote, indirect way? How was Iraq the culmination of some sort of fundamentally "conservative" policy?
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17-02-2004 05:52
You have such a screwed view of NAFTA, it's too funny. Do you realize how much work it took to get that passed?
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