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Gerwald
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Springfield, VA, USA
Jan 2000
time: 05:13
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Us Mexicans thank the French embassy for contacting us. Next time, please try to be more formal with your correspondences.
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Gerwald
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Springfield, VA, USA
Jan 2000
time: 05:13
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Understood, Victor.
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Oh yeah, well you Chinamen don't speak for the US Navy, which will soon cease to exist. And just wait till you get a gander of what 'ole President Jefferson Ruffhaus VIII has in store for the Navy of the Confederacy.
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Scott F
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Indiana
Oct 2000
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*notes that the game is being set in the 1860s, when ironclads where a new novelty*
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Victor Galis
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in exile
Jul 1999
time: 00:13
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To settle this, I have called upon google to find me a large amount of websites on 1860 technology. This one http://www.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/scnavdes.htm seems to have a nice deal of information.
"By and large, the Armed Services tend to put their trust in tradition, and what they already know. By 1855, however, several new developments had been addressed. The application of steam power had been taken on board, so that 'line-of-battle-ships' still looked much like the Victory, but had a discreet funnel, usually collapsible when under sail. The RN had also conducted tests literally a tug-of-war to ascertain the rival merits of paddle and screw-propulsion. The latter won hands-down. During the Crimean War (1853-56), the French had fitted iron plates on the sides of some of their warships, and Russian guns had been unable to damage them. The line-of-battle-ship became the ironclad. The first real battleship was the French La Gloire, 1860, closely followed by the British Warrior and Black Prince, 1861."
"But the much-feared French Navy of the 1860s did little to justify its existence against the distinctly inferior Prussian Navy in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71."
-Note the words much-feared. Luckily an astrologer warned Emperor Victor-Napoleon III of the French Republic about the impending defeat of France at the hands of the Prussians in 1870, and we were saved by our quick assault launched years before the Prussians had a chance to collect their forces.
"Like the Chinese, the French believed that the enemy should be terrified before a battle, and were long pre-occupied with "fierce-face" designing their ships to look aggressive, with built up superstructures, funnels & masts."
-We know all about your tactics 
"...The guns were 12" rifled muzzle-loaders..."
-About a British ship in 1873... maybe I wasn't too far off with 12" after all
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Scott F
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Indiana
Oct 2000
time: 00:13
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HMS Dreadnought, the namesake of the ships of the great Anglo-German naval arms race, first put to sea in late 1906.
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Scott F
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Indiana
Oct 2000
time: 00:13
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By ironclad I am referring to a steam-powered warship with cannons whose outer hull and surfaces are covered in sections of thick iron plating.
Besides, just how many turtle ships did Korea have during this period? While clad in metal turtle ships were also not designed to resist shot from cannons, the whole purpose of what is generally considered and accepted to be an "ironclad."
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His Divine Shadow
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Side 3, Archduchy of Zeon
Feb 2001
time: 23:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Scott F on 04-06-2001 11:10 AM
By ironclad I am referring to a steam-powered warship with cannons whose outer hull and surfaces are covered in sections of thick iron plating.
Besides, just how many turtle ships did Korea have during this period? While clad in metal turtle ships were also not designed to resist shot from cannons, the whole purpose of what is generally considered and accepted to be an "ironclad."
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Sail and oar-driven, iron-plated decks, cannon-armed, and blue water-capable. According to Japanese and Korean records of the era, there were approximately one dozen of these design, and only one lost in combat (to Kuroda Nagamasa). This fleet was commanded by Admiral Yi Sun Sin, and its primary purpose was to sever the supply lines for Konishi Yukinaga and Kato Kiyomasa's First and Second divisions, which had begun their assault on the peninsula.
The steam-power, of course, was an impossibility of the age, but nobody's perfect. 
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His Divine Shadow
zeon_archduchy@hotmail.com
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Gerwald
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Springfield, VA, USA
Jan 2000
time: 05:13
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Well, this all is a wonderful discussion and historical debate. I didn't know I was surrounded by such brainy individuals.
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Scott F
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Indiana
Oct 2000
time: 00:13
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The uncultured and uneducated barbarians from Mexico no doubt can comprehend nothing more than tacos, siestas, and the spreading of their heathen presence.
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03-04-2001 02:40
China shall soon discover that messing with France is rather counter-productive.
Go back home, you are going to have to soon enough.
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