20-02-2004 02:11									#61
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It was Gore's idiotic campaigning that really did it. If he embraced Clinton (who was wildly popular at the time), he would have won handily. Instead he was afraid that some people thought Clinton wasn't that good because of his affairs (who voted for Bush anyway).

	20-02-2004 02:21									#62
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Nader won't win, and he won't influence the Democrats. I don't know why the Greens bother.

	20-02-2004 02:22									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It was Gore's idiotic campaigning that really did it. If he embraced Clinton (who was wildly popular at the time), he would have won handily. Instead he was afraid that some people thought Clinton wasn't that good because of his affairs (who voted for Bush anyway).

HIs campaing was not stellar, you are correct, but the election was lost because of all the messes in the electoral system, the one in Florida not being the only one with porblems, but having the worse problems.

I remember all the polls done, and actually stories before the election from the Republicans wondering what would they do if they won the popular vote but Gore won the election .....

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Nader won't win, and he won't influence the Democrats. I don't know why the Greens bother.

They don't- Nader would be running independently...read the article!

	20-02-2004 02:24									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If he violated his promises to his own followers why did so many of them vote for him then? That statement just doesn't make any sense.

Did they? His party got far less a percentage of the vote than they had been anticipating. Besides, they were voting for the party, not the man.

Again...why isn't Nader being vetted by the Greens? Answer: They want nothing to do with him after 2000.

	20-02-2004 02:35									#66
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hm.. i've never liked nader.

ANYBODY BUT BUSH '04!

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	20-02-2004 02:38									#67
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OH, you will just break Giancarlo's heart...

I mean, his dream can never be! Cause only in Chicago can dead foreigners win.

	20-02-2004 02:39									#68
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Yeah. In Texas, only dead natives can win.

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@ Gepap

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quote: the election was lost because of all the messes in the electoral system

That's the immediate blame yes, but when you are looking for SOMEONE to blame, Gore shoots up over Nader.

quote: His party got far less a percentage of the vote than they had been anticipating. Besides, they were voting for the party, not the man.

Highly doubt it. The Greens have NEVER gotten over 1% before Nader and they won't afterwards. His 'party' was expecting too high a percentage, just like the Republicans and Democrats have been known to do.

quote: why isn't Nader being vetted by the Greens?

'Cause they are a bunch of morons who'd rather prefer 'ideological purity' and go back to only getting 1%.

quote: ANYBODY BUT BUSH '04!

	20-02-2004 02:58									#71
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Maybe Perot will throw his hat into the ring too. What a combination they could be, the feisty, slightly mad, texas billionaire and the loopy tree-hugger. I can see it now, a Perot/Nader ticket sweeping to victory in 04.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Again...why isn't Nader being vetted by the Greens? Answer: They want nothing to do with him after 2000.

It wasn't until a few months ago the Greens decided they weren't going to run a presidential candidate. Up to that point, they were debating Nader or nobody. The Greens are not pissed at Nader, just the Democrats.

	20-02-2004 03:38									#73
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this is lovely

	20-02-2004 03:52									#74
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Answers #2 and #3 on your poll are both correct--why isn't this multiple-choice?

	20-02-2004 05:45									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Dude. If I were american, I'd be republican. It's like black men calling each other 'niggahs'.

Excuse me?


Whatever happened to respect

Racist Scumbag

	20-02-2004 05:49									#76
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quote: Answers #2 and #3 on your poll are both correct--why isn't this multiple-choice?

Because I want people to really show their support for Nader, or to call him a tool of fascist republicans.

	21-02-2004 00:47									#77
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Since we're talking about third-party candidates, I found this. Currently on the front page of politics1.com:

quote: MOORE ACTING MORE LIKE A CANDIDATE. Ousted Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore (R) -- the "Ten Commandments Judge" -- is starting to act more and more like a third party Presidential candidate. For a guy who isn't running for President "right now" (to quote his spokesperson), he's sure doing things that candidates seem to do. In fact, according to the Constitution Party's website, Moore is speaking at party events in Oregon and Montana this month. With President Bush currently trailing both Kerry and Edwards for re-elction by double-digits -- according to the latest CNN poll -- that last thing he wants in November is a "Ralph Nader of the Right" draining Christian conservative votes from his essential base.

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quote: Originally posted by pchang Yeah. In Texas, only dead natives can win.

Hey, Missouri voted in a dead guy in 2000.

I have to agree that many people will switch to the Dems just to get rid of Bush. The country can't take another 4 years of him.

	21-02-2004 01:32									#79
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quote: Originally posted by debeest Personally, I'd be all for a democracy where we got representation in proportion to votes, as I think happens in most first-world countries, rather than the U.S.' idiotic winner-take-all system. In the existing system, and lacking an instant-runoff option, I don't want Nader to run, even though I think he'd be a vastly better president than either of the corporate party candidates.

EVERY system is "winner-take-all" inherently. Unless each candidate gets a certain % of the presidency in your country?

	21-02-2004 01:35									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Since we're talking about third-party candidates, I found this. Currently on the front page of politics1.com:

Oh, please, please, please let Moore run!

	21-02-2004 02:17									#81
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Oh, please, please, please let Moore run!

Maybe there is a god who is answering our prayers through this idiot.

	22-02-2004 09:55									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Again, we're not talking loyalty to the DP--we're talking about beating Bush. Beating Bush will trump this ire in November, I guarantee it. Hell, most Deaniacs came to him because he was so anti-Bush. Why would they then aid Bush and not vote for the non-Bush? We learned the lesson in 2000 that the line "there isn't a difference" is hogwash.

quote: If the Democrats had any cajones Bush wouldn't be the terror he is. They are the ones that refused to stand up to him. They voted for the PATRIOT ACT. They voted for war. They confirmed Ashcroft and Bush's other cronies. Even as far back as 93-93, when they had the Presidency and both houses, they let the Republicans set the agenda. Why will it be any different this time around? Dean I could see standing up to them. Clark I could see standing up to them. Kerry and Edwards are both p*ss**s who will let the Repugs tell them what to do.

He answered you already. It is a fitting answer. The people most enraged with Bush, are enraged because of the war and the PATRIOT act. The majority of Democrats cannot get it through their thick skulls that the energizing of hatred towards Bush was not because he was a Republican, but because of the war and the PATRIOT act. If Kerry and Edwards gave the green light, they are no better.

So, the DLC has made, once again, a strategic blunder. And it will cost them, once again.

	22-02-2004 09:57									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Since we're talking about third-party candidates, I found this. Currently on the front page of politics1.com:

If you want your prayers answered, send the guy some money for his campaign.

	22-02-2004 10:09									#84
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I was tabling this afternoon at a youth conference in Virginia and Nader messed things up. He was doing the keynote which was scheduled for right before the tabling time, but his plane was late so it delayed everything.

The tabling time was slashed half an hour. Ugh.

Though I guess its not Nader's fault, its the airlines, but whatever. I didn't stop by to hear him speak, all the students said he was boring. I've heard him speak before, he isn't a particularly captivating speaker.

	22-02-2004 12:12									#85
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I think Nader just wants to run to give more votes to take away more votes from the Democrats so that Bush will win again.

	22-02-2004 12:21									#86
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I think that you that you are an idiot.

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quote: Oh, please, please, please let Moore run!

Ain't gonna matter. Remember, the Republicans have more party discipline. They'll come out for Bush.

quote: I think that you that you are an idiot.

This may be the first time I agree with you .

	22-02-2004 14:03									#88
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I think that you that you are an idiot.

look who is talking

	22-02-2004 14:09									#89
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But he's right this time .

	22-02-2004 14:10									#90
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I can't help it that monkspider took my initial ranting post seriously.