19-02-2004 22:36									#1
	Missing Withdraw Troops option under Democracy Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I'm having a memory problem and can not recall seeing this before. I hope it is normal and not something wrong with my game files. Please advise.

While in Democracy, looking at the Diplomacy screen for an AI for which there is a ceasefire, there is no option to "Insist you withdraw your troops." This is all the time, not just the turn before a sneak attack. Makes it impossible to nag the AI into war.

Is it always like this?? Thanks!!

Monk

	19-02-2004 22:57									#2
	Increase the size of your Attachments

It's always like this during a ceasefire. You can only order them out if you make peace with them first.

	19-02-2004 23:22									#3
	Remove this text

Confirmed.

	19-02-2004 23:32									#4
	Remove this text

Thanks!!

Monk

	20-02-2004 03:31									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

To needle them during a ceasefire, move a few sacrificial units around within their city radii. They cannot order you out either, but they get pretty steamed about it...

	20-02-2004 13:15									#6
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

This is a great use for obsolete units if you have somehow missed building Leo's. The AI are going to sneak attack whether you like it or not, so you may as well let them have their enormous bonus on a unit upon which it will make little difference.

	21-02-2004 03:24									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

On a related note, I've often seen with "contact" the message, "the ceasefire has expired...". Now often (almost always it seems) the next turn has a sneak attack. And now that I've recognized this I have sometimes been able to provoke a war declaration on my turn & proceeded to enjoy said benefits in a timely fashion.

Has there been any sort of test regarding the "the ceasefire has expired..." message and followup consequences?

	21-02-2004 04:38									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

My experience suggests that when your peace treaty turns into "contact" or your ceasefire expires, the AI is always going to attack imminently, probably the next turn.

	21-02-2004 13:01									#9
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Once in an MP game with AI players, cease fire with an AI expired twice during the same turn.

There appears to be no rule governing the expiration of cease fire.

	21-02-2004 13:13									#10
	Put an end to popups!

As far as I've seen, if you are encroaching on an AI's territory when there is only "Contact", they WILL attack you the next turn. I haven't noticed this if you aren't in their territory. It happens, but infrequently.