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joncha

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North of FOPOG
Jan 2003
time: 21:34

24-05-2004 00:08

#61

Re: Re: Why is Grant on the $50 bill?

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quote:
Originally posted by MrFun

grammar Nazi mode: "change it to somebody else -- not something else"

[prescriptive grammar] Unless the person is actually sitting on the bill, "something else" is the correct usage. An image is a thing, not a person. [/prescriptive grammar]

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King

of Calakmul
Jul 2003
time: 06:34

24-05-2004 01:05

#62

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quote:
Originally posted by mrmitchell

Grant was pretty much the best the Union had, which makes him about 20th in the ranking of "Best Generals of the Civil War". Sure he won a lot, but the fool could not keep body count low.

Did he try?

Odin

Prince

Biology Nerd at Minnesota State University Moorhead
Sep 2000
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 04:15

#63

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War of Northern Agression? You guys started the thing at Ft. Sumter, you guys took the first shot.

The Confederate apologists show they still havent gotten over the embarassment because they were so arrogant fefore the war.

MrFun

King

of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 05:29

#64

Re: Re: Re: Why is Grant on the $50 bill?

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quote:
Originally posted by joncha

[prescriptive grammar] Unless the person is actually sitting on the bill, "something else" is the correct usage. An image is a thing, not a person. [/prescriptive grammar]

MrFun

King

of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 05:30

#65

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quote:
Originally posted by Capt Dizle

Sorry to bore you but if I took the time to present a detailed report of his actions and battles it would support my conclusions. In my opinion. If I were MTG I could rattle all of that off by memory. Sorry for my mental limitations Fun guy.

With inane comments like "Grant was nothing more than a hack" obviously it shows that you have a vehement hatred for him, rather than objectively consider Grant for who he really was -- a human being rather than some kind of one-dimensional cardboard image.

PLATO

King

Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 06:34

#66

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quote:
Originally posted by MrFun

I corrected the typos that were in the original article you provided, Plato.

So one track about something so much bigger...

PLATO

King

Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 06:37

#67

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quote:
Originally posted by Odin
War of Northern Agression? You guys started the thing at Ft. Sumter, you guys took the first shot.

The Confederate apologists show they still havent gotten over the embarassment because they were so arrogant fefore the war.

Ft Sumter was in South Carolina...where the Yanks had no business anyway.

Arrogant? Probably a good characterization for the Southern attitude...Sadly. If anything, the war taught us not to use that approach again.

Capt Dizle

King

Sep 1999
time: 00:34

24-05-2004 08:07

#68

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quote:
Originally posted by MrFun

With inane comments like "Grant was nothing more than a hack" obviously it shows that you have a vehement hatred for him, rather than objectively consider Grant for who he really was -- a human being rather than some kind of one-dimensional cardboard image.

I am sorry for being insensitive.

MrFun

King

of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 08:17

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The problem was that you over simplify a general who did the best job he could under the most trying circumstances.

Neo-Confederates accuse northerners of glorifying Grant, when neo-Confederates then turn around and glorify Lee to an unbelievably unrealistic pedestal.

MrFun

King

of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 08:20

#70

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quote:
Originally posted by PLATO

So one track about something so much bigger...

You mean the bigger argument in which the scholary consensus today accepts the fact that the "Lost Cause" mythology is inherently racist?

Sikander

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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:34

24-05-2004 08:20

#71

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What do you guys think about Colonel Angus?

joncha

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North of FOPOG
Jan 2003
time: 21:34

24-05-2004 08:29

#72

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Colonel Angus might be rough, Colonel Angus might not smell like a bed of roses, but deep down Colonel Angus is very sweet.

mrmitchell

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Sep 2002
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 09:20

#73

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quote:
Neo-Confederates accuse northerners of glorifying Grant, when neo-Confederates then turn around and glorify Lee to an unbelievably unrealistic pedestal.

Lee was actually worth something, while Grant, if he didn't have the resources of the North at his disposal, would have fallen like a house of cards.

bipolarbear

King

of Persia and the Communist Party of Apolyton
Feb 2004
time: 22:34

24-05-2004 09:56

#74

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quote:
Lee was actually worth something, while Grant, if he didn't have the resources of the North at his disposal, would have fallen like a house of cards.

Yeah, wasn't Lee originally going to fight for the North or something, but by some narrow and odd twist of fate didn't?

SlowwHand

King

of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:34

24-05-2004 10:05

#75

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First, we didn't start do-dah.
An even more intersting question than Grant on a fifty is, why is Lincoln on the penny ?

bipolarbear

King

of Persia and the Communist Party of Apolyton
Feb 2004
time: 22:34

24-05-2004 10:08

#76

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Why not? i think it makes sense.
Copper sort of matches his skin and hair tone. It at least matches a lot more than the silvery luster of a dime or Quarter does to Truman or Washington respectively.

Dis

Emperor

Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:34

24-05-2004 10:30

#77

Get a bigger avatar today!

my thread is getting it's second wind

bipolarbear

King

of Persia and the Communist Party of Apolyton
Feb 2004
time: 22:34

24-05-2004 11:53

#78

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Despite the smiley on the end, I get the feeling thta you despise the second wind of your thread Diss. Why do you hide the long face?

Kuciwalker

Emperor

of Schmooism
Feb 2001
time: 00:34

25-05-2004 02:59

#79

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quote:
Originally posted by PLATO
Ft Sumter was in South Carolina...where the Yanks had no business anyway.

Besides the fact that it was owned by the federal government?

Odin

Prince

Biology Nerd at Minnesota State University Moorhead
Sep 2000
time: 23:34

25-05-2004 03:12

#80

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quote:
Originally posted by Kucinich

Besides the fact that it was owned by the federal government?

WTF? I was gonna say that!

Southerners can sure be ignorant when it comes to history.

GePap

King

of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:34

25-05-2004 03:20

#81

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Grant won the Civil War for the Union. Just for that he gets to be on our money.

As for his quality as a general-great generals who lose get pages in the history books. Generals who win, great or not, remake history itself.

Hannibal was a great general- bloody good it did Carthage.

Kuciwalker

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of Schmooism
Feb 2001
time: 00:34

25-05-2004 03:21

#82

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And Hannibal is pretty famous. So is Lee.

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of Calakmul
Jul 2003
time: 06:34

25-05-2004 03:21

#83

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quote:
Yeah, wasn't Lee originally going to fight for the North or something, but by some narrow and odd twist of fate didn't?

He was offered supreme command of the Union Army, but felt that he owed loyalty to Virginia first.

GePap

King

of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:34

25-05-2004 03:29

#84

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quote:
Originally posted by Kucinich
And Hannibal is pretty famous. So is Lee.

yes, they are famous-and their armies crushed-their states defeated.

So again, famous but on the loosing side of history-much like the generals of the wehrmacht

mrmitchell

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Sep 2002
time: 23:34

25-05-2004 03:29

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quote:
Generals who win, great or not, remake history itself.

What's your point? Lee reshaped history as well, probably moreso than Grant ever did, even with his Presidency.

Imran Siddiqui

Deity

The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:34

25-05-2004 09:29

#86

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quote:
Sure he won a lot, but the fool could not keep body count low.

Why should he? As Lincoln said "He fights dammit" (paraphrasing). Lincoln also said something like if he had 20 Grants he'd have won the war in 1862. Unlike the other commanding generals of the Army of the Potomic, Grant took the fight to the Southerners and kept attacking, knowing he had superior numbers and that he could use them to great effect.

Many call him a bad general for that (recognizing a strength makes him a bad general?), but totally ignore Grants great successes on the Western front of the war. The Siege of Vicksburg was an extrodinary sucess and involved great tactics, not sending wave after wave.