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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:34
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Also ND has built a town on the former RP spice mines, however they still have no eastern port.
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Cort Haus
No science wonders, no ToE. |
I don't really agree. Sure, it would be easiest if we've got them, but otherwise we could still have enough beaker output... but we'll need extra cash to run deficit. RP is helping us, but could probably increase their donation, and both ND and GoW are going to send us money... if we sell one more tech to them, we should be okay. And of course, we're not going to sell them SM, but they'll also need ToG to enter the IA, and electricity afterwards.
It would be a lot more trickier, but we should be able to do it... but missing ToE would put us firmly in last place.
DeepO
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Cort Haus
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London
Apr 2002
time: 05:34
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Start
Eliopolis completes Library, starts worker
OG completes Library, starts Mkt
Sandstorm completes worker, starts worker
Moves
Hurricane went wrong, but may manage in 3. Using mnt this turn -3fpt, 23 spt
Arashi set for 22 spt, -2fpt nicking mined grass Monsoon-3. Add worker next turn and use irr-grass Arashi-4
Hurricans's Cope's set to GLib, Arashi's ToE set to Palace
Typhoon shortrushes 1s via Longbowman to be at 40s, 5spt and takes turn off Lib
Worker from Sandstorm to Arashi
4 workers fortress Hurr-8
2 worker moves towards Hurr-9
4 workers fortress Hurr-88
Whirlwind plan has to be scrapped for Arashi priority. No growth or aqua now possible, so switched to Library
2 galleys near Blizzard moves south toward Hurr
North galley moves east 666
Northwest galley moves 666
Current Builds
Eli : Worker in 2
Inchon : CH in 9 (was 13 - growth & WLKT)
WoC : CH in 2
Inchoff : Harb in 11
Diss : Courthouse in 4
Santa Ana : Lib in 9
Blizzard : Harb in 5
Monsoon : Mkt in 3
Arashi : ToE prebuild in 21 via Palace
WW : Lib in 4
Tempest : Newton in 3 {EDIT : should be 4 turns}
Hurricane : Copernicus in 3
OG : Mkt in 25
EotS : Cathedral in 1
BB : Bank in 4
Tornado : CH in 4
Typhoon : Lib in 8
Sufa : Lib in 6
Cyclone & Sandstorm : Worker-pumps
Diplo
Sent Physics to ND unnacepted again
Other
306g, ToG in 2 turns 70%, 427bpt, -5gpt
Next Turn
Hurricane adjust wf, trying to get to 400 in 2 without starving.
Add worker to Arashi and use irr-grass Arashi-4
Last edited by Cort Haus on 21-02-2004 at 04:24
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Cort Haus
Arashi set for 22 spt, -2fpt nicking mined grass Monsoon-3. Add worker next turn and use irr-grass Arashi-4 |
Aha... here's the difference. I get to 23 spt at size 12, with another mined grass! Of course, you'll need a couple of workers to change the irr to a mine, but that should get you 23 spt, and ToE in 20 instead of 21 turns.
Arrian, last count, we could get to SM in 18 or 19 turns. If Lego doesn't go for Mil Trad, and gets steam or medicine from Vox, they will be there at the fastest possible in 21 turns (if they don't have physics yet). So, at this point, we can be reasonably sure we will get ToE (the only problem being that GoW needs to finish medicine in time). Which should lead to Hoover as well... certain if we have coal, still likely if we can't get it somewhere.
It's looking good 
DeepO
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Cort Haus
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London
Apr 2002
time: 05:34
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quote:
Originally posted by DeepO
CH, SM in 21: do you take into account we're going to get gold from ND for Physics?
BTW, I would make them another offer: Physics and magnetism for 800 gold + 2 lux, and coal if we need it. And to GoW: ToG for coal if we need it, and a promise to trade for medicine within 12 turns, no gold. Together with the price difference between steam-medicine, that should be enough.
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Well, we might get some gold from ND. They've not got back to us. I'm wondering whether we'll end up loaning GoW some of that gold to push their Medicine harder. No point breaking the bank on Steam & Electricity to have to tread water waiting for Medicine. OTOH, if we have coal, we can speed up the build, so shaving time off the research might pay - IF GoW are on the pace.
Interesting idea about the ND trades, I think we should consider something like that. We can't make both of them offers for deals where they both supply us coal though, so difficult to set in advance, but I see the idea. What if ND has only one coal to trade and GS and GoW have none? What if ND don't wanna trade it?
I think we might want to spell it out to GoW to get them to co-operate with us to get ToE - to keep it out of Lego's hands. If they want Uni Suff then fine, but they can't get ToE.
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:34
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CH, that's exactly the idea. Ask for both of them for coal for 20 turns, in case there is none in our territory. Starting when we want to (within 20 turns after discovering steam), and under the promise that we will give them steam in advance, later to be paid by Med or Nat.
In case we don't have coal, that would provide us with 40 turns of coal, which should be enough to get us Hoover, and RR most important parts of our continent. In case we have coal on our own, it was worth the risk... we will need to give them the tech anyway, especially GoW as we need them in the IA, researching Med for us.
In all, it is either a cheap price for coal, or a cheap insurrance which we didn't need... and they get something out of it as well.
DeepO
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