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What SE economy setting should we choose?
This poll is closed. |
| Switch to Simple |
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0% |
| Stay Planned |
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18.18% |
| Switch to Free Market |
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72.73% |
| Eat a Xenobanana |
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9.09% |
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100% |
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:34
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Finally here is the long promised poll about going to Free Market or staying Planned.  I've used the 2156 presend to compare the differences between staying Planned, or going Free Market with 20% psych and 80% ecocomy, and the switches from doctor to worker or worker to doctor that entails.
Here are the results:
Planned:
32 surplus nutrients
92 non-support minerals (19 used for unit support)
125 credits
66 labs
Free Market:
47 surplus nutrients
101 minerals
284 credits
0 labs
To compare, due to going FM we'd have -2 Growth compared to Planned, but due to needing fewer doctors our nutrient surplus would increase with 17. Faster growth in other words.
We'd have +1 instead of +2 Industry because of going FM, but there's also an increase in minerals (again due to needing less doctors) which more or less makes up for that.
And lastly we get +4 Efficiency when going FM, so we suffer no inefficiency from going 80% economy. As a consequence we can make full use of our Planetary Energy Grid advantage. Result is a gain of 284 - (125+66)= 93 energy.
Pacifism drones can be a problem under Free Market. Though I doubt we'll get many as our forces jump from conquering one base to another within the same turn, so they don't leave our territory.
If we're going to build a needlejet in Logic Loop to attack a possible new PEACE base on Yardarm Island, we'll need to switch the two technicians to doctor for a while. Though even then FM is still far more lucrative.
Also if we're going FM I'd suggest to make the citizen in And/Or Gate a doctor to prevent the base from growing. As all (one) citizens would then be doctors, the base cannor riot. That way we can rehome all air units without a problem to that base so that they do not cause pacifism drones in our other bases. Since there's a rocky mineral square near that base, it will also be easy to support the unit homed to that base.
I've put the time limit on three days.
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:34
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Some arguments to clarify my position:
GeoModder:
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So, you're proposing to have no lab output whatsoever? |
Yes, for now. The reason is that due our PEG advantage 80% economy gives 284 credits, while 80% labs only gives 238.8 labs. A loss of 45 energy per year in other words (or eg 23 if you'd go for 40% labs). An amount not to be neglected IMHO.
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PUT is a quick researcher, but it's output isn't equal to that of Hive/Drones |
Indeed. By letting the CyCon concentrate on labs, we could probably equal their labs production, but as pointed above as a consequence our credits production (and due to not being able to hurry as much also our mineral production) would suffer more than we gain in labs.
And is it really worth concentrating all our energy on research? Bioengineering (for clean reactors) and Centauri Meditation (for empaths to replace our IIRC 15(!) doctors) are valuable and easily reachable goals. But after that it takes a lot of research to reach our next goals: Fusion Power and Biomachinery. We'd have to pass through pretty useless techs such as Polymorphic Software, Doctrine:Loyalty, Adaptive Doctrine, Intellectual Integrity, Optical Computers, Superconductors, and so on. Wouldn't it be better to let the Hive-Drones do all the hard work of researching those technologies, and then we attempt to probe those technologies from the faction which is most hostile to us? Then we can focus more on improving our infrastructure in the meantime, and decrease the industrial gap with the Hive-Drones.
Drogue:
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Switch, but keep some research. |
Since with FM we have +4 Efficiency and thus no penalties for maxing out econ or labs, aren't the only worthwhile energy allocation positions now either 80% economy, or 80% labs?
To give an example of why, let's assume a case where we're running with 20% psych, 40% economy and 40% labs, and that it would take 8 years to research our next tech.
However now assume a counterexample where we're running 80% economy for the first four years, and 80% labs for the next four years. Due to having the amount of cash in four years that we would otherwise have received in eight years, we can invest more cash faster back into our economy, meaning we gain comparative turn advantage and meaning we can for example hurry more facilities or units in those four years that increase our energy (and thus indirectly labs) production. As a consequence our labs production in the last four years of the 80% counterexample will be higher than in the first example of running 40% labs continually.
For this reason I propose that now we run 80% economy to make the most use of our Planetary Energy Grid advantage, and to gain as much comparative turn advantage as possible. And when we need a technology, I suggest we switch to 80% labs to get that tech technology as soon as possible. After all, unlike credits which one can invest immediately, all labs investments are useless and don't pay back until the moment you research the tech, so it's better to run 80% labs for four years than run 40% labs for eight years and get less credits in that period.
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Helps with beelines not to have them all with one faction, IMHO. |
I don't understand what you mean by that.  Could you please explain some more?
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:34
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MWIA:
Sorry, I indeed forgot to tell the date of when to go FM. It was my intention to do so this year: MY 2157.
As for the progress in the PEACE war, normally two bases should be captured this year, leaving them with one, which should be captured next year MY 2158. If they want to survive, they'll probably build a base on Yardarm Island this year though, and my estimate is we'll be able to capture that MY 2161. Unless they manage to build some other base elsewhere in the meantime, that should be the end of PEACE as an indepent faction.
At the end of this year we normally won't have any combat unit outside our territory, so pacifism drones aren't a problem at all. if we build an impact needlejet in Logic Loop, we'll have to turn two technicians into doctors, but that's a temporary measure if we make And/Or Gate in the home base of all our air units. In any case, the benefits of going FM are still *much* larger than the drawbacks of having to appoint two extra doctors.
Btw, an extra element which I forgot to mention in the first post. Due to going FM, CyCon's commerce with PUT will increase, and they'll gain 10 extra labs per turn. Another advantage.
Archaic:
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Question. What would a 40/20/40 split give us? |
In the CyCon MY 2156 presend, it would give 117.6 labs and 141 credits per year.
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