26-02-2004 04:26									#121
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: The use of corporal punishment is outlawed in 28 states this means even if you think it is something allowable in certain circumstances it is strictly outlawed. Given the toolkit of allowable practices teachers/administrators are allowed to employ why necessarily tie their hands by disallowing certain tactics (even if used sparingly).

Because assault is against the law.

	26-02-2004 08:14									#122
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Only in the sense that 28 states define paddling as an assault.

Obviously the other 22 do not and once upon a time all 50 did not. So why the redefinition?

	26-02-2004 09:43									#123
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: The whole class saw this. The teacher had no more problems.

Interesting.

I used to get spanked, but only when I was too young to understand the consequences of my behavior except through the pain of the spanking.

Add my vote with the Ayes, though I am not a parent.

	26-02-2004 14:48									#124
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Ogie, nay. There are other ways to discipline a child. The problem seems to be that they are not properly used by many schools. I assume this must be because of the prinicpals and their staffs, as some schools seem to have good discipline while others do not, even here in Kalifornia.

	26-02-2004 19:47									#125
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Fair enough,

And while I agree that other means are availabale, and corporal punishment is a last resort, I would also suggest that theway to getthrough to a kid differs on a case by case basis. For some corporal punishment may be the most effectie way of doing this.

More to your real point tho'. The problem is schools do notproperly discipline kids. The reasons are varied but all stem back to discipline is not a fun task and given the excuse not to do so, you can rest assured that it will not be done.

The fact that teachers have to look over their shoulder to make sure they are not abusive make them that much more reticent to actually apply even mild forms of discipline. It may be an excuse but italso may be theexcuse they were looking for to not have to deal with discipline.

	27-02-2004 00:45									#126
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Does somebody come by and smack you when you screw up?

Why is this not a good idea?

*

So why is it a good idea for children?

Either they can understand, in which case it should be explained, or they can't, in which case you a beating them for something they can't help.

There is simply no logical basis for hitting kids. Other than, they are without the power to stop us.

	27-02-2004 01:06									#127
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by The Mad Viking Does somebody come by and smack you when you screw up? Why is this not a good idea? * So why is it a good idea for children? Either they can understand, in which case it should be explained, or they can't, in which case you a beating them for something they can't help. There is simply no logical basis for hitting kids. Other than, they are without the power to stop us.

Take it a step further. Why apply discipline at all? Your assumption is that it is either a) they can understand or b) they can't.

You neglect option c) where they do understand and choose willingly to misbehave, presumably because there are no consequences.

Punitive action of any sort be it physical or psychological is an asymetrical action. It is applied to the disciplinee without the power to stop it. So therefore I can only assume logically that you prefer no form of discipline from your statements above.

If you raised the arguement to the level that it has the most likelihood for abuse that might be one thing, but you haven't.


Ohh and by the by were I to break the law and be arrested, I could probably assume I would be searched forcibly handcuffed and in other minor ways a bit roughed up. That's probably a good thing as its one of the reasons why I don't go down to the nearby 7/11 and raid the cash register.

	27-02-2004 01:29									#128
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

DP

Last edited by The Mad Viking on 27-02-2004 at 01:53

	27-02-2004 01:50									#129
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Was that a deliberate second post?

	27-02-2004 02:55									#130
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by The Mad Viking Does somebody come by and smack you when you screw up?

No but I would prefer a smack on the butt with a pointer than punishments that are given to adults that continually break the rules.

Being fired from your job, losing your drvier's license, going to prison and being executed are alot worse. At least in my opinion.

	27-02-2004 03:31									#131
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Ned The problem seems to be that they are not properly used by many schools.

Who thinks a school can do much of anything properly?

	27-02-2004 06:11									#132
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude No but I would prefer a smack on the butt with a pointer than punishments that are given to adults that continually break the rules. Being fired from your job, losing your drvier's license, going to prison and being executed are alot worse. At least in my opinion.

So if you screwed up royally at work and they didn't fire you but instead just swatted you on the butt, that would be more incentive to not do it again?

Bizarre...

	27-02-2004 08:23									#133
	Got spare money?

kinda depends on whether thats your bag baby.