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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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Caught up with a Pythonian late this evening. 
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[21:51] * Octavian_X has joined #galleyfeast
[21:52] [Kloreep] Hi
[21:52] * Kloreep sets mode: +o Octavian_X
[21:53] [Octavian_X] Hello.
[21:53] [Octavian_X] This game just keeps on getting more and more interesting.
[21:53] [Kloreep] Yep
[21:53] [Kloreep] We see you have contact with LL
[21:54] [Kloreep] So you're almost in contact with all 6 I guess
[21:54] [Kloreep] How are things on your continent?
[21:54] [Octavian_X] oh, all's well so far.
[21:55] [Octavian_X] We're behind you continent tech-wise, I believe.
[21:55] [Kloreep] Yeah, our continent recently reached the MA
[21:56] [Kloreep] I guess that's to be expected with 4 civs instead of 3
[21:56] [Octavian_X] So, it's your fault those barbarian camps acted up. 
[21:56] [Kloreep] Heh
[21:56] [Kloreep] Guilty as charged I guess
[21:56] [Octavian_X] That's true,though.
[21:56] [Kloreep] Hey, we didn't go first 
[21:56] [Octavian_X] We're all very interested in tech purchase.
[21:56] [Octavian_X] heh
[21:57] [Kloreep] And I think we'd be interested in selling tech
[21:58] [Octavian_X] We've a good amount of gold in the ol' royal treasury. That's all we can really offer.
[21:59] [Kloreep] Are the Monkey's and Izzardian's contacts for sale?
[21:59] [Kloreep] I'm sure we'd be interested in those too.
[22:01] * Sharpe has joined #galleyfeast
[22:01] [Octavian_X] We'll talk about it. Dunno what our position on contact trading is - no one's asked us
before.
[22:01] [Sharpe] Hi!
[22:01] * Kloreep sets mode: +o Sharpe
[22:01] [Kloreep] Have you talked with LL much?
[22:01] [Kloreep] Or did they just get here too?
[22:02] [Octavian_X] We're exchanging PMs every once in a while.
[22:02] [Octavian_X] Hello Sharpe.
[22:02] [Octavian_X] Discussing tech trades and such...
[22:03] [Sharpe] ah i see
[22:03] [Sharpe] The 2 continents are finally meeting eh?
[22:04] [Octavian_X] Here's an idea - contact for contact. We give you Monkey and Izzardia's phone numbers,
you give us those guys and Sunshine.
[22:04] [Octavian_X] Of course, I'd have to consult my team further.
[22:05] [Kloreep] So would I
[22:05] [Sharpe] though it sounds reasonable
[22:05] [Kloreep] Sounds good to me 
[22:07] [Octavian_X] Let's see...
[22:07] [Octavian_X] I'd also like to talk you guys into signing a NAP with us.
[22:07] [Kloreep] Again, I'd have to take it back to the team, but I see no reason not to
[22:08] [Sharpe] we should admit that the two of us are nearly 40% of the active team
[22:08] [Kloreep] Heh, true
[22:08] [Sharpe] so if Kloreep and I agree on something , it is very likely to pass
[22:08] [Kloreep] One more active member and we could sign it on the spot with unanimous agreement
[22:08] [Octavian_X] I'm 25% of my active team.
[22:10] [Octavian_X] And, one more question - what kind of prices would we expect to pay for something like
Construction or Mysticism?
[22:10] [Kloreep] I honestly can't say
[22:10] [Sharpe] not much for Mysticism - given it is only 4 tech points
[22:10] [Kloreep] It's certainly your market, though. I expect it would be pretty reasonable
[22:11] [Octavian_X] Would the price be any higher if we asked that you guys didn't attach an NDA to it?
[22:11] [Kloreep] Probably; since presumably you'd want to then sell it to monkey and izzardia?
[22:12] [Kloreep] But I'm sure we could work a deal out
[22:12] [Octavian_X] I just like to keep my options open.
[22:12] [Sharpe] there is also the matter of polytheism - isn't that required for reaching the middle ages too
?
[22:13] [Kloreep] Yep; Myst, Poly, Construction
[22:13] [Kloreep] I think that's all you're missing, right?
[22:13] [Octavian_X] Ironically, we've got a deal with Izzardia to get that.
[22:14] [Kloreep] ?
[22:14] [Sharpe] hmm, that is slightly ironic if you don't mind me saying so ...
[22:14] [Kloreep] You mean all three?
[22:14] [Sharpe] I suspect Octavian means Polytheism right?
[22:15] [Sharpe] Monkey blowing any gaskets about trees and all yet?
[22:15] [Octavian_X] Yes - it all works out with a trade that took place a long time ago.
[22:15] [Octavian_X] They don't seem to mind the fact that we're close to eliminating all the forests in our
territroy.
[22:16] [Kloreep] Heh
[22:16] [Kloreep] I forgot you had all those lumberjacks
[22:17] [Octavian_X] It's best to keep them busy at all times.
[22:18] [Sharpe] yeah
[22:19] [Sharpe] or else they might feel the temptation to sing and wear dresses
[22:19] [Sharpe] just like their papas...
[22:20] [Octavian_X] Are you making fun of our national pasttime?
[22:20] [Sharpe] nope
[22:20] [Sharpe] though our national pasttime is food fights...
[22:24] [Sharpe] so has everything been mostly peaceful on your continent so far?
[22:25] [Octavian_X] Yes - it's all fun times, British humor, and poop throwing...
[22:26] [Kloreep] hehe
[22:28] [Kloreep] One question here: what's your policy on foreign galleys in your waters?
[22:29] [Octavian_X] We don't mind. Just don't land and units in our territory, or move land units through it.
[22:30] [Kloreep] k
[22:30] [Kloreep] Will do
[22:30] [Kloreep] Or would that be Will don't?
[22:32] [Octavian_X] HA! We laugh at your atrocious grammer, you silly sons of a silly person!
[22:32] [Octavian_X] Sorry, had to let that out...
[22:33] [Kloreep] hehe
[22:36] [Sharpe] how confident are you that your team would be willing to trade contacts re the other civs on
each of our continents, Octavian?
[22:37] [Sharpe] cause I notice that the turn order is currently - Tabemono, then MAST , then Sunshine then
Python
[22:37] [Octavian_X] Not very, to tell the truth. Some my object to the idea, some may not like it.
[22:38] [Sharpe] ah k, I see
[22:39] [Sharpe] who are the actives on your team ATM ?
[22:39] [Sharpe] we have Kloreep, Zargon, Rhothaerill, Unorthodox and myself
[22:39] [Sharpe] with some input from others occasionally
[22:40] [Octavian_X] DaveMcW, SirRalph, and Darekill are really the only active people.
[22:40] [Sharpe] I thought Sir Ralph was retiring from Demo games?
[22:41] [Octavian_X] I expect his participation will bottom out. Hopefully, he'll still post every once in a
while to help.
[22:41] [Sharpe] ah ok
[22:42] [Sharpe] anything else you want to discuss?
[22:51] [Kloreep] ?
[22:52] [Octavian_X] Sorry. distracted by other demogames.
[22:52] [Octavian_X] Nothing so far as I can think of.
[22:52] [Kloreep] k
[22:53] [Kloreep] I'll take the contact trade proposal back to our forum
[22:53] [Sharpe] k, I gtg then, nice chatting with you Octavian - nice to finally meet the Pythons and the
other continent
[22:53] [Sharpe] Night!
[22:53] * Sharpe has left #galleyfeast
[22:53] [Octavian_X] Nice talking to you guys too. |
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:34
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Greetings from team Tabemono!
Kloreep is a bit busy this week and has asked that I meet with you reguarding some potential deals between our two peoples.
Now, is there a time our schedules allow for a chat? Personally, I can be online to chat after 10:30 PM EST each evening, OR from 1:30-4:00 AM EST each morning. However, this is often difficult for most folks, and if that is the case, PM's will have to do.
First of all I will address the matter of Mysticism that you requested. At present, we offer it for 50 Gold with a No-trade clause of 20 turns or 90 Gold without that same no-trade clause.
Second is the matter of the Non Aggression Pact. This is an agreeable deal for the people of Tabemono. A no-brainer really considering our respective locations. However, to formalize I would propose that we set this up for a 50 turn duration at the end of which we both are allowed to evaluate and re-sign as we see fit. However, this is just personal suggestion and the team may see fit to sign a longer term all at once if you so desire.
Third is the matter of Contacts. We would readily accept a contact - for - contact deal. I would suggest that this be done by the mutual sending the contacts accepted instead of waiting for the counter-offer. If this is agreeable. If not, then waiting an additional turn for the process is not that great a deal of importance.
Fourth, and finally, we come to the potential for trading of maps. Right now there is mild debate as to whether we are prohibited from trading world maps due to a previous deal at the moment. However, I can tell you that we have our full island mapped with the trading of world maps from all nations. Has map-sharing been equally receptive in your part of the world? Do you also have a complete map of your landmass? If so, I believe a WM for WM deal will most likely be agreeable on Tabemono's side. If not, then perhaps a territory for territory?
- UnOrthOdOx
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:34
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RE: PTWDG II: Chat?
Hello UnOrthOdOx,
Thanks for the message. Generally, I'm online sporadicially between 6PM to 12AM EST each day, though I may not be at home at all this weekend, due to family obligations. Look for me in #apolyton - I'm always there while online. My schedule, otherwise, is too unpredictable to give a solid time.
The Mysticism trades sound good. We'll discuss it further in our forums, as there are a few competeing offers.
A 50 turn NAP sounds good to me, at least. I'd like to add conditions preventing settlment of the other continent, as well as a general prohibition on interfering with intercontinental affairs (You don't mess with us, we won't mess with you).
Contact for Contact, to me, sounds ok. But, just like the tech purchase, we have to talk about it some more.
We do have a map of our entire continent, and map trading goes around every once in a while in an attempt to find barb camps. For us, if at all, we'd lean toward a territory-territory trade in regard to maps.
Regards,
~Octavian X
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:34
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quote:
Session Start: Tue Mar 02 22:06:30 2004
Session Ident: #feast
* Now talking in #feast
* Octavian_X has joined #feast
[UnOrthOdOx] Zargon and Kloreep will be in shortly.
* Kloreep has joined #feast
* Retrieving #feast info...
[Octavian_X] that sounds good.
* UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +k taco
[UnOrthOdOx] Zargon is having troubles.
[UnOrthOdOx] What's on your mind?
[Octavian_X] heh - that's what I had for lunch..,
[Octavian_X] First off, I have to tell you that we must politely reject your offer for
the purchase of Mysticism.
[Octavian_X] We do appreciate your willingness to sell it to us, though.
[UnOrthOdOx] It happens.
[UnOrthOdOx] We expected as much, actually, but couldn't get a lower offer to you in
time.
[Octavian_X] We chose to go for a slightly cheaper deal with one of our continental
neighbors.
[Octavian_X] Do you guys have construction? That's the next tech we're looking to buy.
[UnOrthOdOx] Yes, we do in fact have Construction.
[UnOrthOdOx] However, due to a previous arrangement with team Sunshine, we would be
unable to trade it at this time.
[UnOrthOdOx] That said, I have a proposition.
[Octavian_X] I'm all ears.
[UnOrthOdOx] We would be willing to trade contact with BOTH sunshine and MAST to you in
return for Monkey contact.
[UnOrthOdOx] This will allow you to work a deal with sunshine directly instead of
waiting for the deals I am sure they have made everyone sign to not trade it.
[Octavian_X] Now that's interesting...
[UnOrthOdOx] In what way?
[Octavian_X] A two for one deal is always interesting.
[Octavian_X] It definetly sounds like a good idea to me, but we'll certainly have to
discuss it for a little bit.
[UnOrthOdOx] Well, you will find as I take over a little diplomacy, I favor good
relations almost as much as I do a good deal.
[UnOrthOdOx] Call it an act of good will, if you will.
[Octavian_X] My team's only real reservation would be the use of contacts as good
leverage in tech trades. As you can tell, we're looking at buying our ways into the
Middle Ages, and at least my thought is that Monkey's contact is more valuable as a
chip in a tech deal.
[UnOrthOdOx] We could perhaps attach a clause that we agree not to trade contact with
Monkey then?
[UnOrthOdOx] We cannot trade Construction for 10 turns IIRC.
[UnOrthOdOx] So, with you having 10 turns to make a deal directly with Sunshine, tossing
in Monkey contact, perhaps?
[UnOrthOdOx] Otherwise, I would highly recomend my team give you a very fair deal for
Const at the end of that time.
[Octavian_X] Well, we can get construction from other places. What would you be looking
to charge for Construction, without an NDA?
[UnOrthOdOx] I am one who is far more lenient.
[UnOrthOdOx] I'm told it's more like 12 turns.
[UnOrthOdOx] But I'ld have to confer with the tech experts on a price.
[UnOrthOdOx] I'll do my best to beat some sense...er I mean make them offer it at a
reasonable price.
[Octavian_X] hehe
[Octavian_X] Actually, now that I think about it, that may not work as well for us.
[UnOrthOdOx] One expert is advising to ask for 300.
[Kloreep] You can refer to me by name UnO
[Octavian_X] IIRC, we'll have construction in thirteen turns as an effort of our own
research.
[Kloreep] Ah
[UnOrthOdOx] Sunshine is the one to talk to if you require it sooner then, I'm afraid
* ZargonX has joined #feast
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* UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o Octavian_X
* UnOrthOdOx sets mode: +o ZargonX
[UnOrthOdOx] Odd.
[UnOrthOdOx] never seen that disconnect before.
[Octavian_X] He must've tried to paste too much at once.
[Octavian_X] Servers will disconnect you if your trying to enter too many lines too fast.
* Kloreep has joined #feast
[UnOrthOdOx] So then, was there any other business at hand?
[UnOrthOdOx] Territory for territory map trade is confirmed, correct?
[UnOrthOdOx] If so I'll poke the turn players to send ours next turn.
[Octavian_X] I 'll have to say just not yet. We're still discussing possibilities of map
trades as well. Even if there are just a few of us, we like to be thorough. :P
[Octavian_X]
[UnOrthOdOx] Alright.
[UnOrthOdOx] I'll let you in on something.
[UnOrthOdOx] I have made a unified world map something of a personal quest in this game.
[UnOrthOdOx] I hope to have all teams contribute that there can be a public map posted,
complete with advertising and news items so that new blood will be attracted to the
game.
[UnOrthOdOx] I simply feel that this is in the best interest of the game as a whole, and
as a biproduct for all the teams involved.
[Octavian_X] The Quest for the World Map. That doesn't sound like a bad idea, though it
does come into some conflict with other internal team policy.
[UnOrthOdOx] Your own team?
[UnOrthOdOx] As far as 'spirit' of the game internal policy, not at all.
[UnOrthOdOx] If everyone IN game has a copy of the map, there is no reason to keep it
out of the public forum at all.
[UnOrthOdOx] I'm not saying it'll happen. It's something I think the game needs in order
to attract new blood.
[Octavian_X] That's true.
[UnOrthOdOx] All teams are low in numbers.
[UnOrthOdOx] What better method of attracting new members?
[UnOrthOdOx] As for updates to the map, yes those will be tricky.
[Octavian_X] Yes, there are secrecy issues involved.
[UnOrthOdOx] I'm considering the first version should be ctrl-shift-m so that no cities
are shown, and a simple outline of "so and so lives here" would be best.
[Octavian_X] Or, better yet, do it like a political map that you see in textbooks.
[Octavian_X] Forgo actual terrain features, just do a drawing of the continental outline
and borders.
[UnOrthOdOx] THAT would require artistic work.
* UnOrthOdOx is NO artist.
[UnOrthOdOx] Again, though, if all teams IN GAME have the exact same map, one should be
able to post it publicly.
[UnOrthOdOx] the only thing I'll need to remove is my own teams units and city-builds
[UnOrthOdOx] Which is why the ctrl-shift-m comes into play
[UnOrthOdOx] Anyway, I'm working on the idea more formally now.
[UnOrthOdOx] Back on topic.
[UnOrthOdOx] Was there any other business at hand?
[Octavian_X] None that I can really think of.
[UnOrthOdOx] So, 2 for 1 contacts, let us know.
[Octavian_X] I'm sorry if I seem distracted - I'm playing our save atm.
[UnOrthOdOx] You should know that I have sent the same offer to CoD as well.
[UnOrthOdOx] First come, first serve.
[Octavian_X] We'll keep that in mind as we deliberate and spam to create our next public
annoucement.
* Logging #feast to 'logs\#feast.GRNet.log'
[UnOrthOdOx] Alright then, I believe we are done, and it's getting late here.
[UnOrthOdOx] Time for some shuteye
[Octavian_X] g'night uno.
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UnOrthOdOx
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Hello....
Jun 2002
time: 22:34
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Well, bump
quote:
Greetings,
I must be brief, I'm afraid.
I trust that Arrian has been passing along the information from this side of the water?
I have been speculating with Arrian on the possibility of a tech alliance amongst the three of us. Would Python be agreeable to such a proposal?
Also, if you for some reason do not recieve a complete map from CoD, let us know and we will happily forward one to you as well.
- UnOrthOdOx |
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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Kloreep,
I've been reminded that you Tabemono should be completing it's research on gunpowder soon (two turns, iirc). Of course, considering that whole little conflict with the Monkeys ( ), we Pythonians would like to get a piece of the action.
Our lone scientist has been laboring on the study of monotheism for many turns. We'll complete that technology in 13 turns at our current pace of non-funded research, though it could be done in four if we had more gold.
We than propose a deal. Monotheism for Gunpowder, with extra gold from us to make up the difference of 12 tech points.
Talk amongst yourselves, and get to us soon, as we'll need word of your thoughts on this trade in order to prepare for our next attack.
Thanks,
~Octavian X |
Damn, we still need to tell them the bad news. When are we getting gunpowder again? I think it may be a little more than 2 turns due to turning up the lux slider late.
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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Had this chat with OctX last night.
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[23:20] [Octavian_X] Kloreep, are you around?
[23:20] [Kloreep] Yeah
[23:21] [Octavian_X] I've just got a quick question in regard to the PTWDGII before I send off our save...
[23:22] [Octavian_X] Out of pure curiosity, why did you send over gunpowder accepted to us?
[23:23] [Kloreep] I thought the deal was for both of you guys
[23:23] [Kloreep] Oh, wait, Mono...
[23:23] [Octavian_X] hmm?
[23:24] [Kloreep] Wasn't the original deal for both of you to get GP?
[23:25] [Octavian_X] I have no idea, to be completely honest. I was under the impression we were on our own when it came to
buying GP.
[23:27] [Kloreep] I thought we had worked out a deal whereby you guys compensated us for 2/3rds of the reseacrh cost
[23:27] [Kloreep] Part of that was in Mono, which we idiots didn't realize we didn't need
[23:28] [Kloreep] Does this strike a bell at all?
[23:29] [Octavian_X] I'm looking at our diplo thread...
[23:29] [Octavian_X] Zargon said when I asked earlier that you'd already arranged for Mono from sunshine.
[23:30] [Octavian_X] CoD was paying 65gpt to fund GP research, according to this message.
[23:30] [Octavian_X] (another one)
[23:36] [Octavian_X] If you don't mind, Kloreep, I'll go ahead and save and send our turn. I need to be getting to sleep.
I'll PM you tomorrow, and you have my word that Tabemono will get a payment from us in exchange for gunpowder.
[23:36] [Kloreep] k
[23:36] [Kloreep] This may have been miscommunication
[23:37] [Kloreep] Now that I think about it, the main PM about this deal I remember was from CoD
[23:37] [Kloreep] At any rate, night
[23:37] [Octavian_X] That's probably the case. This game is infamous for that...
[23:37] [Octavian_X] thanks, and good night. |
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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Subj: PTWDG II: Theo-Inv-Gun Trade Proposal
To: Modo44, Octavian X
I propose the following as a Sunshine-Tabemono-CoD-Python trade.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe that Tabemono, Python, and CoD each own 1/3rd of Invention, having payed 1/3rd of the cost each. (I know we have 1/3rd of Invention, but I don't remember if CoD and Python invested equally or not. BTW, you guys didn't trade Invention to MAST and LL, did you?)
CoD payed 1/3rd of the cost of Gunpowder and thus owns 1/3rd of it. Python received it but didn't pay us (Monotheism screwup on our part). I propose we break up Gunpowder rights, giving CoD the rights to Python and Monkey, and Tabemono the rights to Sunshine, MAST, and Latin Lover. CoD can collect payment from Python if they feel necessary (I guess that would be about 7 tech points worth of gold, but it would be between you two). Tabemono can sell Gunpowder on its own continent.
This would mean the Theology trade would work as follows:
Python pays Sunshine 14 2/3 tech points (1/3rd of Invention); they owe Sunshine compensation for 25 1/3 tech points. (Roughly 100 gold, dividing by 7.)
CoD also pays Sunshine 14 2/3 tech points (1/3rd of Invention); they too owe Sunshine compensation for 25 1/3 tech points. (Roughly 100 gold, dividing by 7.)
We pay Sunshine 62 2/3 tech points (Gunpowder and 1/3rd of Invention); Sunshine owes us 22 2/3 tech points. (Roughly 85 gold, dividing by 7.)
Strict NTA: All parties agree not to trade the techs received to other civs.
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:34
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Hello Tabemono
quote:
Kloreep wrote on 17-12-2004 22:26:
I propose the following as a Sunshine-Tabemono-CoD-Python trade.
Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe that Tabemono, Python, and CoD each own 1/3rd of Invention, having payed 1/3rd of the cost each. (I know we have 1/3rd of Invention, but I don't remember if CoD and Python invested equally or not. BTW, you guys didn't trade Invention to MAST and LL, did you?) |
Yes, we all own 1/3 of Invention.
No, we didn't trade Invention around.
quote:
Kloreep wrote on 17-12-2004 22:26:
CoD payed 1/3rd of the cost of Gunpowder and thus owns 1/3rd of it. Python received it but didn't pay us (Monotheism screwup on our part). I propose we break up Gunpowder rights, giving CoD the rights to Python and Monkey, and Tabemono the rights to Sunshine, MAST, and Latin Lover. CoD can collect payment from Python if they feel necessary (I guess that would be about 7 tech points worth of gold, but it would be between you two). Tabemono can sell Gunpowder on its own continent.
This would mean the Theology trade would work as follows:
Python pays Sunshine 14 2/3 tech points (1/3rd of Invention); they owe Sunshine compensation for 25 1/3 tech points. (Roughly 100 gold, dividing by 7.)
CoD also pays Sunshine 14 2/3 tech points (1/3rd of Invention); they too owe Sunshine compensation for 25 1/3 tech points. (Roughly 100 gold, dividing by 7.)
We pay Sunshine 62 2/3 tech points (Gunpowder and 1/3rd of Invention); Sunshine owes us 22 2/3 tech points. (Roughly 85 gold, dividing by 7.)
Strict NTA: All parties agree not to trade the techs received to other civs. |
We have talked to Cake or Death, and they agree. So does Monty Python.
You can send the answer to Sunshine.
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I'd say Cake for us, Death for Monkey, but this goes to a different team, right? Right.
Cheers
Modo of Monty Python |
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22-02-2004 00:51
I'll try to keep an ear out until then.
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