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As some of the money which is taken from the rich benefits those who really need it (i.e. the poor) by funding of social Projects, schools and the like,
I assume that yes, Discrimination in this case may be good.
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Yes, legalized stealing is ethical, because it brings utility, hapiness, you know that thing that all people want. |
You mean you become happy when someone steals from you? What if other people don't share your definition of happiness? And if you people really believed in "utility" you'd be giving up a kidney to people in need of one. 
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You still didn't explain from which planet your concept of rights did arrive. |
Rights derive from universal desires and are personal in nature, i.e., you don't have a "right" to involve others against their will. For example, if you want to be religious, you don't have a right to compel me to build or attend your church.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:34
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I think Berz touched on a great argument against people who believe we have a moral responsibility to help those in need - if that's the case, then go donate a kidney, and then come talk. There are people who need your kidney more than my money, after all.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:34
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Society and the rule of law enable the accumulation of wealth and safe guard those who possess it. The least the rich can do when they are protected and fostered by society is to pay back in proportion to what they derive. |
You make it sound as if the rich are the only ones protected. Stealing from poor people is wrong, too. Just because poor people may be more inclined to steal doesn't mean their property isn't protected, and it certainly doesn't make stealing right.
And you guys still haven't responded to the kidney example. Interesting.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:34
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We all benefit from public safety and good roads, the rich who need trucks to carry the goods to market in safety on good roads benefit a little bit more and should thus pay a little bit more. |
They already DO pay more - who hires the trucks? Who builds the supermarkets? Who builds the trucks?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:34
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The quality of life does decline greatly from kindey donation. |
Good point. On the other hand, the quality of life also declines greatly when you're dead from lack of kidneys.
Oh, I see. You feel that you should primarily be concerned with your own quality of life. Your life, and the quality thereof, takes precedence over that of others. If that's your point, we agree, and you don't actually think we have a moral commitment to help others at the expense of ourselves.
Taking my money and giving it to others impacts my quality of life, you know.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:34
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Who pays for the roads, and who profits from their existence? |
Everyone profits from the existence of roads. Without roads, your poor people would have an even rougher time.
As for who pays for roads, I think they should be privately built, owned, and maintained.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:34
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You expect a response to such tripe? |
Yes, I can. If your premise is that we are obligated to help those in need, then I don't see why you don't extend that to your kidney. Would you extend it to donating blood or plasma?
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:34
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Oh, I see. You feel that you should primarily be concerned with your own quality of life. Your life, and the quality thereof, takes precedence over that of others. If that's your point, we agree, and you don't actually think we have a moral commitment to help others at the expense of ourselves. |
Oh, I see, you're putting words in my mouth.
I certainly am more concerned with my welfare more than the welfare of the most of the other people in the world. This doesn't say that this is the most ethical stance. FOR ME, it takes precedence, that does it mean that it should actually take precedence in the eyes of the law. I am doubtful that if the government would harvest the organs, it would be an ethical action, since it would both mean a descent in my quality of life, AND doing something that I don't want to do, which are both carrying negative utility. This also has implications on the entire society, so I am not sure that saving a single person's life would be worth it. The most ethical solution would be to make post mortem organ harvesting mandatory.
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23-02-2004 12:43
legalised stealing is moral? If there were no government to do your stealing, would you really walk around stealing from others and telling them how moral you are and how immoral they are for not appreciating your special insights into morality?
Yes, legalized stealing is ethical, because it brings utility, hapiness, you know that thing that all people want. You still didn't explain from which planet your concept of rights did arrive. 
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