26-02-2004 17:31									#31
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Thanks for that

	26-02-2004 22:29									#32
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I am happy to wait for the patch and am not so bothered about restarts.

Are we going continents definitely ?

	27-02-2004 13:45									#33
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are we continents or Pangea?

	27-02-2004 14:21									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot so shall we leave the start till your return, hopefully by then the wonder patch may be available...

Either way... I don't mind.

	28-02-2004 04:36									#35
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ok, newest insider news: the next patch will be released in march, as soon as jesse has the translations.
the current beta patch (for english versions) is available and it's allowed to be passed on... just not publicly because it's likely people would get all mixed up.

quote: originally posted by tavis/jesse Feel free to let other people use this patch, I just don't want the general community to become confused by its existence.

if it's ok for all of you, we'll start the game with this 1.18 patch.
here are the changes:

quote: originally posted by tavis/jesse v1.18 Changes: * Game Rule: Enable Scientific Leaders (ON by default) * Railroads will always appear under captured cities if you have Steam Power. * Histograph keeps tracking defeated Civs * Electronics requirement removed from Motorized Transportation * Radio Tech set to No Era & Each Civ has it for free * Civil Defense switched to require Electronics * Advanced Flight now requires Electronics * Radar Towers require Advanced Flight * PBEM: Games can not be loaded in Single Player * PBEM: v1.18 Games can not be loaded on earlier versions (prevents using earlier versions to still cheat) - earlier saves can be loaded in v1.18 * PBEM: Previous players Civ can no longer be seen when loading a PBEM game * MPTournament: Map Trading moved back to Map Making * MPTournament: Enkidu cost raised to 15 * MPTournament: Ancient Cavalry defense lowered from 2 to 1 * MPTournament: Captured cities retain culture * MPTournament: Turn slices lowered from 24(base)/3(per-city)/1(per-unit) to 16/2/1 * MP: City goodie hut spawns are not possible in Elimination Mode * MPTournament: Uses 40% ocean * MPTournament: Scientific Leaders disabled * MP: Withdrawl code cleaned up * New Scientific Advisor Industrial Screen is called science_industrial_new.pcx

i'll be posting the link, if everyone agrees...

	28-02-2004 04:39									#36
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as you see, there are MAJOR changes in the industrial age...

for us a difference is the non-loadability in older versions.

	28-02-2004 06:25									#37
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1.18 looks good to me

	28-02-2004 07:39									#38
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where did the 1.18 info come from? could we get a link please?

	28-02-2004 20:12									#39
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I am having to drop all my current games so count me out of this one. Sorry.

	28-02-2004 20:13									#40
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ouch, that is a real shame.

hope all is good...

Looking forward to your return...

	28-02-2004 20:32									#41
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i've PMed you all.

please vote on following issues as soon as possible. i'm hoping to start the game for sunday/monday...

i'll set up the game as soon as a majority has been reached on all points.

A: continents or pangea? (random not an option, because archipelagio could suck bigtime)
B: 60%, 70%, or 80% water or "random"

i guess the other stuff is ok. anyone who wants a restart should say so as soon as possible. post a screenshot of your starting location and a reason, why you want to restart (eg. tundra/jungle only, 20 tile island, AI touching your borders, etc).
whoever requests a restart will get the same civ as before... so restarting because you don't like the traits isn't ok.

speaking about civs:
chrisius and paddy: what civs are you going to take? or will you join in on random civs?

edit: removed cerberusIV... shall we replace him with another human or an AI?

Last edited by sabrewolf on 28-02-2004 at 20:55

	28-02-2004 20:44									#42
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Continents

70% Water

My civ depends on the land type:
Continents = England
Pangea = Mayans

thanks

	28-02-2004 21:02									#43
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cerberusIV. oh, pity...

hope to play you another time!

	28-02-2004 21:04									#44
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my votes:
continents,
random water

	28-02-2004 21:04									#45
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Id go with Continents and Byzantines, but if you decide on pangea then Id take Celts or Rome if thats okay with others.

Continenets and medium water sounds fine

Dont really care about restarts, if youre out youre out, and its good to have a challenge some times. Dont mind others restarting if they feel it is absolutely necessary

	29-02-2004 00:55									#46
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continent and medium water (70% ?) sounds good

	29-02-2004 01:44									#47
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as for the 1.18 patch, what website did you find that info at? I've looked on CFC, poly and cdg, and theres no mentioning of it anywhere

	29-02-2004 03:14									#48
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Sorry to hear that CerberusIV. I hope all is well. Come back soon!

Continents, 60% water.

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ok, as noone else has asked to join the game, i'll set it up tonight (so if anyone still sees this in time, post the relevant information (playing time in GMT, civlization to be played (or random)

	01-03-2004 20:47									#50
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the things which were voted:
continents: unianimously approved
water percentage: 3 votes for 70%, 1 vote for each random and 60%...

so here are the settings:
PBEM, C3C newest patch (you all got my PM about that)

- standard world size (100x100)
- continents
- 70% water
- random barbarians
- random climate
- random temperature
- random geology
- all original victory conditions activated (diplomatic, space ship, domination, conquest, cultural)
- default epic rules (of newest patch)

so basicly everything random and default except continents, 70% water

players:
1 sabrewolf (netherlands)
2 smellymummy (random civ)
3 paddy the scot (england)
4 ricketyclick (random civ)
5 chrisisus maximus (byzantines)
6 monarch AI (random civ)
7 monarch AI (random civ)
8 monarch AI (random civ)


you've got until 22:00 GMT to ask for changes, then i'll set up the game.


so, i really hope we have a great game with equal starting locations and gentlemanly fairplay (no ganging up, etc.)

i'm looking forward to the match and who knows... if it's fun and works out fine, we can start a new one parallel to this one to get through the slow first turns.

cheers!

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	02-03-2004 03:51									#51
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ok, it worked... game set up.
admin password is 'ssprc' (first lettres of our names in succession of playing)

accelerated production is ON. i forgot to ask about it... but as the thread title is FAST c3c pbem, i guess acc.prod is appropriate. (search in the other PBEM games i can to approx half-half with the settings)

so, now the game:
AI are babylonian, iroquois and zulu... that's just about all i can say right now.

my starting position is acceptable so far - no overwhelming, but good enough to continue. i'll send it to smellymummy next. hope to have the next turn ready in 24 hours

have fun!

	02-03-2004 04:00									#52
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i don't know, if this is clever, but i've named my file as following:
PBEM - th109278 - sabrewolf - 4000 BC.sav

th109278 : thread number (here at apolyton)
sabrewolf : end of my round (duh!)
4000 BC : turn just played

edit: sent 4000BC to paddy the scot

Last edited by sabrewolf on 02-03-2004 at 04:10

	02-03-2004 04:01									#53
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Will I be able to play this with 1.12, as you are the originator?

I would prefer not to patch to the 1.18 for now and wait for the official patch. Ive read somewhere that it should not be a problem, but await your thoughts on this

	02-03-2004 04:10									#54
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oops, sorry, too late.

well, 1.12 is anyway old... 1.15 would be the current official one. and no... 1.18 has less bugs than the 2 previous ones.

the good thing about 1.18 is that files cannot be loaded in SP, so cheating (by playing dozens of turns as SP) is not possible. i'm not accusing anyone of cheating... but safe is safe

don't worry about the installation...
- just have 1.15 installed
- then backup all the files in the "...\conquests" and "...\conquests\text\" directories into a subfolder (eg. call it v1.15).
- unpack the patch into the conquests folder.
- backup the new files into a folder like 'v1.18'

for switching between game versions, just copy the wanted version into the conquests folder... backwards and forwards.
it works fine and i've successfully done so in the last week...

	02-03-2004 10:32									#55
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edit...: what a bloody big rant that all was,,,....

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	02-03-2004 12:05									#56
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I have the same problems as Paddy, so have to take the same stand sorry.

Further though I am not happy to patch my game with a rushed and unofficial patch, and I really cannot understand why a company like Firaxis and Atari are operating in such an unprofessional way.

I am not prepared to screw around my game set ups and risk making a serious error. I have enough of a time with understanding the mechanics of the game and the internet as it is without further complicating my life.

Give me a patch that all I have to do is apply to my C3C and load and play. Back up this and store that and oh my god its so confusing.

Finally Sabre, though as you pointed out it is possible to cheat and load these things ATM and play ahead in Singlke Player mode, if you set the random seed set it will stop that from being a serious concern, yes there may well be some who are SAD!!! enough to cheat like this but it certainly not my style.

Sorry, but If not patching means I can not participate then I will have to withdraw this time, though if in the future when an official patch is available and you would then be in the market for a game or two I would very much look forward to joining.

Chris.

	02-03-2004 12:21									#57
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Paddy, you aren't using 1.12 for the tournament game?
;-)

Sabrewolf, are you still going to post the link you mentioned? I'm thrilled that the single player PBEM hack finally has been addressed. Unfortunately, between this and the other major changes, it looks to me like the stable (2.0?) patch won't be out for another month or so to allow for more beta testing, unless you've heard otherwise...?

CM, the issue with loading from SP isn't a matter of the random number seed, it's about being able to examine your opponent's position and forces inside and out at your leisure. I got a glimpse of the previous player's main screen unintentionally twice over in the tournament game before I figured out why.

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	02-03-2004 12:58									#58
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ok ok, i give up

first, please do NOT withdraw now!

from my point of view, there are 2 options:
1) wait until patch is official
2) play a new game with an older patch

with the first, we've got the problem: will other games too switch to the new patch when it comes out? [yes|no]

the second: do we take 1.12 or 1.15? i mean... we've still got the version issue. paddy, obviously you anyway have to switch between 2 version.


so, what option should we do (or is there another one?). and what's with the problems i mentionned?


i'm sorry it got this complicated. i asked on the first page about the new patch and some where thrilled (paddy, you were one of them, iirc). i guess i missunderstood it as an "OK, go ahead".

	02-03-2004 13:00									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D it looks to me like the stable (2.0?) patch won't be out for another month or so to allow for more beta testing

i wonder who's beta testing

what if we just play a 1.15 fast C3C pbem game instead?

	02-03-2004 13:02									#60
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rommel,
the second last patch (something around 1.20) should be coming out very soon. it's finished and coded, but the translations havn't been done yet. i guess it could be a week or two at most...

and thanks for the support about the SP cheat possibility.
i've just had bad experiences in other games where people used cheats to see were you are. eg. when standing behind a corner, they knew you were there and through a granade.