22-04-2001 09:42									#1
	ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy Fall 1836 Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy Fall 1836

PRESS:

Beware the Brazilians! Peru, Colombia, Venezuala, wake up!


ORDERS:

ARGENTINA (Iain Lindley)

A Formosa-Salta
A Corrientes-Asuncion
A Misiones S A Corrientes-Asuncion
F Montevideo H
A Cordoba-Mendoza (move fails 1v1)
A Bahia Blanca-Patagonia (move fails 1v1)


BOLIVIA (Berzerker)

F Bahia de Arica > Bahia Sechura (bounce 1v1 with Quito)
F Arica > Bahia de Arica (bounce with Bahia de Arica)
A La Paz > S Cruz
A Pot > H


BRAZIL (Hogfather)

A Pantanal > Concepcion (move fails 1v1)
F Sao Paulo > Bahia de Sao Sebastiao
A Parana SUPPORT F Rio Grande do Sul
A Amazonas > Orinoco
F Boca de Navios SUPPORT F Cumana > Golfo de Paria
F Rio Grande do Sul HOLD


CHILE (Chazzy)

F-Golfo de Guafo>Isl. Juan Fernandez
A-Mendoza S A-Patagonia (support cut)
A-Patagonia S A-Mendoza (support cut)
F-Tierra del Fuego>Golfo de San Jorge


COLOMBIA (Sahib)

F Golfo de Panama - Panama (sc)
F Cali H
F Santa Marta S F Maracaibo - Golfo de Paria
F Maracaibo - Golfo de Paria (bounce 2v2 with Cumana)
A Llanos - Maracaibo (bounce with Maricaibo)


PARAGUAY (Snowfire)

A Asun S Conc (support cut, dislodged, may retreat to Formosa, or OTB)
A Conc S A Asun (support cut)


PERU (Gerwald)

F Quito - Bahia Sechura (bounce 1v1 with Bahia de Arica)
A LIMA - CUSCO (bounce with Aquiris Indigenous Territory)
A IQU supports A AQUIRIS
A AQUIRIS - CUSCO (bounce with Lima)


VENEZEULA (Defiant)

A-CAR S A-ANG > BAR
A-ANG > BAR
F-CUMANA > G. DE PARIA (bounce 2v2 with Maricaibo)


MAP:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADC51/F1836.gif


GM COMMENTS:

Fall 1836 retreats are due Sunday, April 22, 23:59 EST. SnowFire, since your's is the only retreat, feel free to post here. The Winter 1836 adjustments will be due Monday, April 23, 23:59 EST. Spring 1837 orders will be due Thursday, April 26, 23:59 EST

As always, please check for accuracy.


ADJUSTMENTS:

ARGENTINA - No Change
BOLIVIA - Build 1
BRAZIL - Build 1
CHILE - Build 1
COLOMBIA - Build 1
PARAGUAY - Disband 1
PERU - Build 1
VENEZEULA - No Change


GM INFORMATION:

RUFFHAUS8
ICQ: 63418710
E-mail: RUFFHAUS8@aol.com


PLAYER INFORMATION:

ARGENTINA (Iain Lindley)
ICQ: 33689665
E-mail: iain@lindleys.f9.co.uk

BOLIVIA (Berzerker)
ICQ: 38356654
E-mail: berzerkr@cjnetworks.com

BRAZIL (Hogfather)
ICQ: 102139615
E-mail: m_carreras@hotmail.com

CHILE (Chazzy)
ICQ: 73667212
E-mail: chazzy@execpc.com

COLOMBIA (Sahib)
ICQ: 43251116
E-mail: sa.hi@mailcity.com

PARAGUAY (Snowfire)
ICQ: 35476699
E-mail: peter.ingraham@oberlin.edu

PERU (Gerwald)
ICQ: 63688157
E-mail: CaladbolgFT@aol.com

VENEZEULA (Defiant)
ICQ: 46172786
E-mail: defiant@charter.net or seanc@herrschners.com


[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS8 (edited April 21, 2001).]

	22-04-2001 09:44									#2
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ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy, Game Standings/Supply Center Count - 1836 (Fall); 38 Supply Centers Total, Solo Victory Requires Ownership of 20 Supply Centers Legend: COUNTRY - Present Leader/Former Leader (number of centers held) * Home Supply Centers listed in CAPS.

BRAZIL (7) Hogfather
SAO PAULO, RIO DE JANIERO, SALVADOR, MANAUS
Rio Grande Do Sul, Maranhao, Parana

ARGENTINA (6) Iain Lindley
BUENOS AIRES, CORDOBA, SALTA
Montevideo, Corrientes, Asuncion (Pa)

COLOMBIA (6) Sahib
BOGATA, CALI, CARTEGENA,
Islas Galapagos, Maricaibo (V), Panama

BOLIVIA (5) Berzerker
LA PAZ, ANTOFAGASTA
Santa Cruz, Arica, Potosi

CHILE (5) Chazzy
SANTIAGO, VALPARISO
Patagonia, Punta Arenas, Islas Juan Fernandez

PERU (5) Gerwald
LIMA, TRUJILLO
Arquiris Indigenous Territory, Quito, Iquitos

VENEZUELA (3) Defiant
CARACAS
Angostura, Cumana

PARAGUAY (1) Snowfire
CONCEPCION

	22-04-2001 09:59									#3
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Broken map link? I can't get to it anyway...

	21-04-2001 22:07									#4
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Try it now... I'd was in the process of uploading it as you posted.

	21-04-2001 22:20									#5
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Works now... sweet.

	22-04-2001 10:39									#6
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Bah. I don't retreat OTB.

	22-04-2001 20:22									#7
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Well, very well. Now I know what you don't do. When you submit your retreat order, I'll note it on the map.

	23-04-2001 00:46									#8
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What is it that makes you two liking each other like that? Come on, Ruffy, he had the choice between OTB and Formosa. He said "not OTB", now I believe you should be able to update the map even without further input by Snowie

	23-04-2001 01:54									#9
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This reminds me of a lecture I heard recently by one Douglas Bridges, a professor from New Zealand visiting Oberlin (really screwed up implaceable accent, too. He was born in Scotland, went to college in England, and spent the last ten yeras of his life in NZ). Described as being on the "lunatic fringe" of mathematics by our own head of the math department, his lecture on Constructive mathematics basically detailed how it worked, and one of the more important parts was that Constructive mathematics denies the statement "P or not P." In other words, you have to actually prove P in constructive mathematics to show it, you can 't just show that not P is impossible and therefore P must be true (somehow). There were some interesting conclusions from this and then he showed how you can still do a lot of higher mathematics even without these assumptions we take for granted.

So, it seems RUFFHAUS is an advocate of constructive diplomatics. I'll oblige; the army retreats to Formosa (my previous comment referred to the fact that why should I give extra information to my opponents on what to build? Leave 'em in suspense.).

	23-04-2001 02:15									#10
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Thank you. I'm a not a proponent of anything but a straight answer.

I always list OTB as a retreat option (like all other available choices) as is my standard process for adjudication. I do this because it an OTB retreat is often a valid tactical order and an option that some players never use, making me wonder if they know that they are allowed to. In any case I'm not trying to be insulting when I suggest it. I completely understand the option to use the retreat as has now been exercised. I'm not pushing either path. And I'm not the one who started with the sarcasim.

Map updated. Adjustments due Monday evening, thank you.
[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS8 (edited April 22, 2001).]

	23-04-2001 02:40									#11
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Sahib,
I believe Ruff is only being gaming correctly, you say that in the WM tournament and they won't put up with it, you tell them what you are going to do, not what you don't do as a personal play technique.

	23-04-2001 03:44									#12
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Sighhhhhhhhhhhh. Why am I always misinterpreted?

RUFFHAUS, I was not being sarcastic! I was not going against you. Of course you should list all the retreats. I would do the same thing. And you certainly shouldn't retreat for me. I was merely saying "bah" because the game isn't going terribly well at the moment. I wasn't annoyed at you for not retreating for me or anything. I was just saying that there's no way I would retreat OTB. This is because (with regards to the tactics mentioned earlier) retreating OTB is a valid tactical action only in Spring or if you have 0 builds or greater. This is to allow you to destroy a useless advanced unit so you can rebuild the unit at home. If you have disbands, then there's no reason to telegraph which unit you'll disband... so because of this, there was no way I'd retreat OTB. I added in a "bah" because I am now down to 1 SC. Since there was only one other retreat, I figured that would be enough. This was in no way an attack or a snide comment or whatever! Or at least I never intended it to be, scout's honor.

Defiant, yes, but this is not WM. Obviously for that I would submit retreats straight. This was an informal "post your retreat here" type thing. I mean look at all the banter in the threads for some of the World Diplomacy type threads, or some other things- "My glorious army advances to Formosa to raise an army of Argentinian partisans to strike at the evil government strangling Southern South America" or something. How is that any different from what I said, if not even more informal?

	23-04-2001 04:20									#13
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Okay.

	23-04-2001 04:29									#14
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Because your army isn't very glorious and the Chileans are evil?

	23-04-2001 05:24									#15
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Now, now why would you want to pick on the peace loving people of Chile ? All we want is a little breathing room.... :=]

	23-04-2001 09:55									#16
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Hmph. My army is VERY glorious, ye who think that size determines glory... look at China's army from 1700-1920, pretty big yes, pretty glorious, well, not really. It's the same with those Argentinians. They may appear all big and powerful, but watch how when the pressure is on they all crumble to dust. You hear that? Dust! DUST! Everyone in your army right now will be dead in eighty or so years! I guarentee it!

Meanwhile, the Paraguayan scientist core-in-exile continues its funding of its immortality-super army project that will create a super army that needs no supplies and crushes all opposition with merely a wave of its hand... it should be completed in no less than, oh, say, 80 years.

	24-04-2001 06:24									#17
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ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy Fall 1836

PRESS:

(none)


ORDERS:

ARGENTINA (Iain Lindley)

No Change


BOLIVIA (Berzerker)

Build A LaPaz


BRAZIL (Hogfather)

Build A Sao Paolo


CHILE (Chazzy)

Build F Valpariso


COLOMBIA (Sahib)

Build A Bogata


PARAGUAY (Snowfire)

Disband A Concepcion
(A Ascuncion retreats to Formosa)


PERU (Gerwald)

Build F Trujillo


VENEZEULA (Defiant)

No Change


MAP:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADC51/F1836.gif


GM COMMENTS:

Spring 1837 orders will be due Thursday, April 26, 23:59 EST

As always, please check for accuracy.

	26-04-2001 09:26									#18
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Deadline Reminder. Gentlemen. With less than 24 hours to the Spring 1837 deadline I am missing several sets of orders. Let's get them in please! Thank you.
[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS8 (edited April 26, 2001).]