27-02-2004 04:31									#1
	Resolving WW with GCA ... how? Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

ISSUE: How do we finally end this?

You don't have to be a mind-reader to see that we're exhausted with GCA and this War Weariness issue. Personally, I'm to the point where I don't even want to read about it anymore. I cannot even begin to summarize the ups and down of this rollercoaster of discussion and potential resolutions, nor do I want to link every single thread where this issue was discussed, because it appears all over the place.

My personal feeling, at this point, is this:

1) We push for a ruling TODAY, and hold onto the save until the issue is resolved. DO NOT PLAY anymore until this is settled officially.

2) Once peace is resolved with GCA, one way or another, we agree to a permanent rule regarding WW along the lines of what GWT proposed.

The real question, then, is how far are we prepared to go to get our way? Do we want to get this resolved NOW or can we afford to wait a bit longer for, perhaps, negotiations with GWT to go through?

Do we feel that we should, instead, just give Lucky something for permanent peace to shut him the hell up?

I have not been a proponent of stalling the game in the past, but I just cannot tolerate the nonsense and excuses any longer, and with CGN stalling to do their poll, we have an extra day to get this thing started and to get something official decided. I believe we should start immediately.


Please post in this thread if you agree and include any suggestions you have. If there's enough current support for this, the Consuls will take notice and I'll work with them at length tonight to get this thing going NOW ... putting an end to the drama and debates.

--Togas

	27-02-2004 04:38									#2
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Do it. We should have had peace more than a dozen turns ago when there wasn't any aggression after GCA jumped continents. If we continue to let him do this to us then he's never going to stop finding loopholes to keep us in WW.

	27-02-2004 04:40									#3
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Hold the save until this is resolved. Heck, at this point WE should be threatening to leave the game, as it seems to be the popular thing to do. In fact, we should leave the game anyway, because, if I haven't made it clear, it is a joke.

	27-02-2004 05:17									#4
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Hold the save.
Hell ... I dont even care if we tell the UN, that we have decided to run a poll about leaving the game, and need 2 days.

This abuse has gone on long enough.

We have only 2 options.
Get the 4 teams to agree to the GWT WW proposal. Ensure it covers that we get peace from GCA. Sort out the flaws later.

Speak to Mongoose
Lucky will abide by a Mongoose ruling only. We need him to make a rule (even if it overrules his previous one) that removes Luckys abuse of this exploit.

Mongoose is smart.
He will understand that Lucky is finding loopholes in his previous ruling.
We just have to make him understand, that he can change his mind and make another ruling.

	27-02-2004 06:17									#5
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither 1. Get ruling from Mongoose that if we disband the cities and send peace accepted to GCA they MUST accept it. 2. Disband the cities and send peace accepted. 3. If we do not have peace when we get the save back, refuse to play it until the 'right' save reaches us. That is exactly what CGN had to do to make Mongoose's ruling re fortify all stick. That is exactly what we should do.

	27-02-2004 06:24									#6
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I agree. This gets resolved or we walk. I don't think we should threaten to do so, I think we should say we will do so and mean it.

The only thing that troubles me at all is that Lucky does unfortunately have a point about us having cities on the other continent, but I personally just say we abandon them and tell them we are doing so, and then demand peace on the turn immediately following the abandoning.

	27-02-2004 06:27									#7
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A ruling from Mongoose is the critical first step, whether we have to disband those cities or not.

Second is getting Lucky to abide by the rules. We should be in contact with all other teams to let them know what is happening, what the solution we are seeking is (a Mongoose ruling), and ask them to support Mongoose's ruling as has been agreed. It has been formally agreed somewhere by all teams to abide by Mongoose's ruling, hasn't it?

GTW is smart. They are out for themselves of course, but bongo posts very logically and seems receptive to reason. Assuming CGN and CFC will be onside (is this still assured?), we will have a unanimous display of unity opposed by one GCA teammember. From this position of strength we have a chance of forcing GCA's turn, at the least.