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Another year has passed and I thought I'd see if anyone is interested in having another Championship tournament like we did last year with the three game format. I know that we have yet to crown the 2000 Champion, but at this point Defiant has that in the bag, needing only three SCs to solo. So before we get to deep into 2001, I thought I'd see if there's interest in a 2001 version.
A couple of things to ponder (opinions please):
1) Scoring Method - using a WM type format is probably the way to go, but maybe not. However the games are scored, the system should be set before they start.
2) Is this a ADC Championship only, or is it a qualifying process for determining the WM slots? Last year it was to be a qualifying tool. but was later scrapped, and teams for the WM were formed irrespective of games A, B, and C. It doesn't matter to me, but again I think it should be determined up front.
Post here if you are interested in playing. We'll need a few GMs as well, but I think we can handle that. In the meantime let's hash over the scoring and qualifying concerns, and any others that people might have. If everyone plays, we could get 4 games going this year.
ADC 2001 Championship Participants:
1. RUFFHAUS8 (GM/map)
2. Defiant (GM/map)
3. Napoleon Bonaparte II
4. SnowFire
5. Sahib
6. Victor Galis
7. reismark
8. The Hogfather
9. *End is Forever*/Iain Lindley
10. Gerwald
11. Chazzy
12. Boshko
13. the_orange1 (map)
14. Shadowstrike
15. Mao
16. Sirotnikov (map)
17. Berzerker
18. Stefu
19. Gibsie
20. Midshipman
21. VGR
22. Coug
23. Du_Chateau (GM/no maps)
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[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS8 (edited April 28, 2001).]
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SnowFire
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New York City, NY
Jan 1970
time: 00:13
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Well, nothing says we HAVE to have one every year- at the rate we're going, it'll be more like a tournament every year and a half. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. 
With regards to your comments, to decide on a scoring system it would really help to know how many people intend to play. The problem with the WorldMasters system is that if somebody solos, everybody else gets 0 points. This is fine if you expect <2 players per bracket to advance, as that really puts the fear of God in you of a solo. But if there's only two games being played, for instance, and somebody solos in one of the games, then 6 players out of the 7 in the other match will automatically advance no matter how badly they did compared to the second or third place player in the other game.
Anyway, my own preferred method most people already know from previous discussions. If you haven't seen them, basically I think all soloists should advance first, and then remaining slots are filled by all people involved in a draw (and if this is too many, go by number of SC's at end of game to rank those involved in a draw). If there are still slots left to fill after the soloists and draw finalists have advanced, go by average SC counts for everybody else, perhaps with the last year's SC count weighted.
That's just me though. Anyway, sure, I'd be interested in playing, since I'm guessing that by the times the games actually start, it'll be summer and I'll have time for it.
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No, we don't HAVE to do it every year, but why not? I'm just asking if people want to.
On scoring. I think you've got a good point about why the WM system is designed the way it is. And while we don't have 72 boards to fill in I think the same principles work for a smaller tourney. I actually like the system because anyone that get's soloed on in 9 years, played a poor game in my opinion, and certainly doesn't deserve to advance to another round. I think setting a time limit on the games (like playing to the end of 1909) is a good idea for the opening round. It will also serve to keep the games short, and perhaps allow us to play the final game before 2001 is over. The final game(s) need not and probably shoud not have such restrictions.
Anyway here's the WM scoring system:
Solo = 60 , Top = 30, 2nd = 14, 3rd = 8, 4th = 4 [all but solo add SC count to listed bonus.] 5, 6, and 7th place get no bonus but do get points for any SC’s owned at end of game. If one players Solos, everyone else gets Zero (0) points. In the event of a tie, bonus points for the tied positions, where appropriate, are shared (Three players end at 8 means 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place points are totaled and allocated equally to each
player). Games that end in any type of negotiated finish before 1909 will have the SC count at game end carried out to 1909. (12 SC’s in
06 = 12 SC in 07, 08, & 09). All solo victories will be counted as 18 regardless of the number of final centers.
I think when it all boils down to it, the system Snowfire suggested is much them same is this one. But this system puts an exact figure on how to score performance. Hopefully this will avoid debate as to who actually advances.
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Defiant
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WISCONSIN
Aug 1999
time: 05:13
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SOLO 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
34 64.6 61.2 57.8 54.4 51.0 47.6 44.2 40.8 37.4 34.0
Draw 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
16 30.4 27.0 25.5 24.0 22.5 21.0 19.5 18.0 16.5 15.0
15 28.5 25.2 23.8 22.4 21.0 19.6 18.2 16.8 15.4 14.0
14 26.6 23.4 22.1 20.8 19.5 18.2 16.9 15.6 14.3 13.0
13 24.7 21.6 20.4 19.2 18.0 16.8 15.6 14.4 13.2 12.0
12 22.8 19.8 18.7 17.6 16.5 15.4 14.3 13.2 12.1 11.0
11 20.9 18.0 17.0 16.0 15.0 14.0 13.0 12.0 11.0 10.0
10 19.0 16.2 15.3 14.4 13.5 12.6 11.7 10.8 9.9 9.0
9 17.1 14.4 13.6 12.8 12.0 11.2 10.4 9.6 8.8 8.0
8 15.2 12.6 11.9 11.2 10.5 9.8 9.1 8.4 7.7 7.0
7 13.3 10.8 10.2 9.6 9.0 8.4 7.8 7.2 6.6 6.0
6 11.4 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0
5 9.5 7.2 6.8 6.4 6.0 5.6 5.2 4.8 4.4 4.0
4 7.6 5.4 5.1 4.8 4.5 4.2 3.9 3.6 3.3 3.0
3 5.7 3.6 3.4 3.2 3.0 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2 2.0
2 3.8 1.8 1.7 1.6 1.5 1.4 1.3 1.2 1.1 1.0
1 1.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Remaining 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
16 15.2 13.5 12.8 12.0 11.3 10.5 9.8 9.0 8.3 7.5
15 14.3 12.6 11.9 11.2 10.5 9.8 9.1 8.4 7.7 7.0
14 13.3 11.7 11.1 10.4 9.8 9.1 8.5 7.8 7.2 6.5
13 12.4 10.8 10.2 9.6 9.0 8.4 7.8 7.2 6.6 6.0
12 11.4 9.9 9.4 8.8 8.3 7.7 7.2 6.6 6.1 5.5
11 10.5 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0
10 9.5 8.1 7.7 7.2 6.8 6.3 5.9 5.4 5.0 4.5
9 8.6 7.2 6.8 6.4 6.0 5.6 5.2 4.8 4.4 4.0
8 7.6 6.3 6.0 5.6 5.3 4.9 4.6 4.2 3.9 3.5
7 6.7 5.4 5.1 4.8 4.5 4.2 3.9 3.6 3.3 3.0
6 5.7 4.5 4.3 4.0 3.8 3.5 3.3 3.0 2.8 2.5
5 4.8 3.6 3.4 3.2 3.0 2.8 2.6 2.4 2.2 2.0
4 3.8 2.7 2.6 2.4 2.3 2.1 2.0 1.8 1.7 1.5
3 2.9 1.8 1.7 1.6 1.5 1.4 1.3 1.2 1.1 1.0
2 1.9 0.9 0.9 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.7 0.6 0.6 0.5
1 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Here is my chart on how the scoring should work, I know it is a little bit hard to read but the row to the top are years of play(1-10) and the column to the far left is SC's(16-1 in descending order) acquired and the three different segments are Solo, Draw and Remaining. I have this in Excel and then transfered it WordPerfect and copied it to Apolyton, sorry for the hard reading.
Anyway what I did is said if you solo you get all 34 centers for the purpose of game factoring, for instance if you Soloed in the first year it would be 34centers * 1.9, the .9 is the representation of 10 years minus the 1 you accomplished your solo which comes to a factor of 64.6, the highest factor one can achieve in the scoring system. Scoring for Solos is only to see who has the highest solo rating amongst the soloists for the next round, Draw nor Remaining can ever outscore a soloist, which is the way it has to be.
Now the more complicated Draws and Remaining, what I did is the same scoring factoring for Draw as Solo but you can only achieve 16 SC's at your best, for Remaining it is the same but 1/2 the power of Draws. So in some cases a Remaining player can outscore a Draw player and that should be OK, in case some guys try to fudge the system by letting a 1 SC Draw cause they like the guy. Please ask questions, I know it is hard to read.
[This message has been edited by Defiant (edited April 18, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Defiant (edited April 18, 2001).]
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Defiant, can you arrange for Victor to place your chart in those Chinese characters?  whew!
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Here's some fresh blood for you all, count me in... 
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Gerwald
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Springfield, VA, USA
Jan 2000
time: 05:13
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I am in. We need to hold this every year. If you don't want to play...don't sign up.
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Defiant
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WISCONSIN
Aug 1999
time: 05:13
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After looking at the WM Scoring and mine, it does seem that the WM scoring system might be easier and accomplish all we need, why don't we use it and if a problem occurs, fix it, or run trial runs and see where people fall at different spots of the game.
Also in a 10 round game, I would like to suggest NO DRAWS, we play to the end, that is what this game is really about, attrition, who is there at the end.
I also think, a lot of thinking this morning, that if you are an avid player here a Apolyton it is your obligation to join this tournament, it would be nice, someday, to host a tournament at Apolyton but pointless if we can't even get our own guys to join our site Championship.
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I agree to no draws...
there's not to reason why,
there's but to do or die
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Great, we've got enough for 2 games now, and we've yet to hear from several players that were in last year's tourney and many of the new players.
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Mao
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Apolyton
Jun 1999
time: 00:13
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*sigh* ...back to the world of diplomacy...I'm in for now
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Okay we have 19 players now, nearly enough for three games. There are still several regulars out there not signed up. I really think if we got 4 games, we could make a great tourney, taking the top 7 players into a final championship match.
What we need:
1) Nine more players (minimum, an alternate or two might be nice)
2) Two more GMs
Lets hear from LordStone1, ScottF, His Divine Shadow, MDR, CyberGnu, Du_Chateau, Talon, Yoav, WarVoid, and any otheres out there interested in playing.
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Midshipman
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Apolyton Paintball Champion
Apr 2000
time: 05:13
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Count me in
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