03-05-2001 17:27									#1
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Finally! Sorry it took so long, but the world tourny and work kept me very busy. Here we go:

AUSTRIA DIES! TURKS DINE IN THE VIENNA HOFBURG!
GERMAN REICHSWEHR ELIMINATED! RUSSIANS MARCH THROUGH THE BRANDENBURG GATE!
RESTAURANTS IN MARSEILLES SERVE ONLY SPAGHETTI!!

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THE MOVES:

Italy (Orange)

(F Wes C Turkish A Alb - Spa) ALb does not move
A Pie - Mar
A Tri H
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Russia (Napoleon)

A Silesia - Munich
F Baltic - Ska
(A Warsaw - Ukraine) bounce TA Rum
(A Moscow - Sevastpol) bounce TA Sev
F Norway S F Baltic - Ska
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Turkey (Siro)

(a rum - ukr) bounce RA War
(a sev s rum - ukr) cut by RA Mos
a gal - vie
a bud s gal - vie
f aeg - gre
(a ser - tri) bounce
(a alb - spa) bounce FF GoL
(f ion c alb - spa) Alb does not move
(f tyr c alb - spa) Alb does not move
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England (Taurus)

F Lon to Wal.
F Cly to Lvp.
A Yor s F Cly to Lvp.
F Edi H
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France (Yoav)

(Lpl to Edi) dislodged, nor retreat, destroyed
(Iri sup Lpl) illegal, Liverpool ordered a move
Ech to Nth
Pic to Ech
Bel to Bur
Bre to Gas
(GoL to Spa) bounce TA Alb
Kie sup russian Sil to Mun
Den H
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Austria (neutral)

(A Vie H) dislodged retreat OTB, Austria dies!
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Germany (neutral)

(A Mun H) dislodged, retreat OTB; Germany dies!
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THE ADJUSTMENTS:

France: disband 1
England: disband 1
Italy: build 1
Russia: build 2 (impressive comback!)
Turkey: build 1
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THE DEADLINES:

retreats: none
adjustments: saturday, 5th, 1 pm GMT
spring06 moves: Wednesday, 9th 6 pm GMT

I will postpone the deadline if I donīt hear from Orange. I have no idea wether he is up and running again. Get well soon, Orange!

	03-05-2001 18:27									#2
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Here's the map for Fall 1905:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADCN/ADCNF05.gif


Sahib, please double check the following items:

1) Russian F Baltic Sea - Skaggerat is an invalid order
2) As follows Norway's support for the move is invalid
3) Turkish F Black Sea was unordered.
4) France has 8 SCs,a nd 8 units, so no disband necessary.

	03-05-2001 19:23									#3
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Yes...a comeback.

Turkey, I suggest you think about what you are doing before you bother me further. Unlike you, I have no two-front war to fight.

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	04-05-2001 09:15									#4
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you call that a comeback?
it's hardly a noisance.....

talk to me on ICQ if you wish.
i'm never closed to suggestions.

	05-05-2001 00:41									#5
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With such a comeback from Russia, I guess there is still hope for me.

	05-05-2001 02:40									#6
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I just restored my computer to normal, and I doubt I would be able to send an adjustment. Anyway, as Ruff noted, I shouldn't have that disband either, as I lost my Lpl unit.
About which, by the way --
WTF is this?!
Iri sup Lpl means The Irish Sea unit supports the staying of the Liverpool unit in its province. If it does not stay there - the move is void. If it does, the support should count. I think it is obvious that I meant to support the unit, and the move to Edi was just something to do with my Lpl unit. Besides, again - if you saw I sent a doubtable order, you should have at least tried to contact me. I never thought such stupid logic is the dominant one here, and when it is, a considerate manner could help.
[This message has been edited by Yoav (edited May 04, 2001).]

	07-05-2001 02:01									#9
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Exactly. I supported the Liverpool's stay. Iri sup Lpl <=> Iri sup Lpl Hold
means defend the allied army at Liverpool.
The army eventually stayed, so the support should count. Besides, I think it's obvious that the support was the main target in this comlex, and if you (Sirotnikov) was let off when you did not even specify what coast you are moving (that, according to the official rulebook should void your move), why shouldn't I be let off when there ARE two acceptable and reasonable opinions here, in a subject not covered by the rulebook?

	07-05-2001 07:50									#10
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Yoav. sorry to pile on, but Sahib has adjudicated the situation correctly. A unit ordered to move cannot receive support to hold at the same time. From the rulebook:

X. THE SUPPORT ORDER
6. HOLDING. A unit not ordered to move (i.e. one that is ordered to hold, ordered to convoy, ordered to support, or not ordered at all) may receive support in holding it's position. A unit ordered to move may receive support only for its attempted movement. It may not be supported in place in the event that its attempted move fails. Thus "A Mun Hols. A Boh S A Mun" is valid, but if "A Mun-Ber", then a written order "A Boh S A Mun" is not a valid order because the army in Munich was ordered to move.

	07-05-2001 18:02									#11
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I was away over the weekend, so I joinn your discussion a little late:

first the issues Ruffhaus brought up. Ruffy, you are right as always:

1) Bal - Ska is invalid
2) the support order is indeed invalid
3) F Black holds
4) I guess I miscounted. If you say so....

As for the french support: the rules are clear about it. No need to change the adjucation.

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