10-03-2004 21:42									#31
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But if you see irrigation appear next to gold.......

	11-03-2004 03:22									#32
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The go to function (at sea) works for all ports; on land for the cities on that continent.

Hmmm maybe one of these games I'll start the offensive boat out, next turn followed by transport 1, next turn boat 2,... when the cruiser hits the shore the boat chain is loaded and...

	11-03-2004 18:53									#33
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I find black-clicking to be boring in the extreme, but have used it on rare occasion to uncover a missing AI city in early conquest mode (SP).

I don't use it to define landmasses or pick a route for my triremes, but will click above an exposed shoreline to see if it's a new continent (2-continent trading strat).

In MP, it's a different story. Anything within RahRules is fair game, and you can be damned sure your opponents are using it!

	11-03-2004 19:57									#34
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quote: Originally posted by ramses II. In a special case you can use the "search city"-option - if the city bears a wonder of the world, the map will center at that city, even if you can't see it. But you know where to search it (I like bribing such cities!).

What is that case? I've heard about this for years, but I can't figure out how this is done. Can anyone provide step by step for this. I've looked in the find city option but the city in question is never listed.

And my apologies, i thought i was hitting reply with quote and hit edit on your original post, hence the modified by rah tag on your post. I set it back to the original.

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	11-03-2004 21:34									#35
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The "special case" is that the city has a Wonder in it.

	11-03-2004 21:43									#36
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yes that was the only special cases I tried, but was unable to do it. (running MP gold)

	11-03-2004 22:08									#37
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Maybe it is a version thing, rah. MP has a different 'Find City' format than SP. Maybe more was changed than the list order.

I am assuming ramses was using SP.

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	11-03-2004 22:15									#38
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RAH, so far as I know, this is completely straightforward. If a city is listed in the Wonders F7 or the Biggest Cities F8, I guess the game treats it as such a famous city that everyone knows where it is. You can use Find City, and it will be listed, even if you've never found it. And if you click on the city on that list, the map will center on it, even if it's centering on an entirely black screen for you. And then if you right-click on the center of the screen, you'll have coordinates that are pretty much accurate. Is that what you've tried and found not to work?

	11-03-2004 23:40									#39
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Yes, I tested it again last night, and opened the find city window, and those cities were not listed. It must be a version issue. I hope it is, or I'm just plain stupid.

	12-03-2004 18:25									#40
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Didn't realize this was WoW-driven. I'm pretty sure it works on my MGE (mac), but I'll try it again this weekend to make sure...

quote: Originally posted by debeest (SNIP) And then if you right-click on the center of the screen, you'll have coordinates that are pretty much accurate. Is that what you've tried and found not to work?

There's an exception (of course). If the target city is near either pole, you will only get the E-W coordinate with any accuracy, since the poles prevent true N-S centering on objects that are too close.

	12-03-2004 22:10									#41
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Just a quick comment - in SP on my copy of MGE I can find all WoW cities, but not all those listed in the top 5.

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	13-03-2004 19:52									#42
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Yes, I've just verified SG's findings in SP in MGE. Wonder cities are on the list, Top 5's are not. I'm sure I was confused by the fact that after a certain point, Top 5 cities usually have Wonders in them. Don't know what's up with your game, RAH. Have you tried it in SP in MGE?

	13-03-2004 22:55									#43
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quote: Originally posted by ramses II. In a special case you can use the "search city"-option - if the city bears a wonder of the world, the map will center at that city, even if you can't see it. But you know where to search it (I like bribing such cities!).

This and the following quote from debeest were new to me...

quote: RAH, so far as I know, this is completely straightforward. If a city is listed in the Wonders F7 or the Biggest Cities F8, I guess the game treats it as such a famous city that everyone knows where it is. You can use Find City, and it will be listed, even if you've never found it. And if you click on the city on that list, the map will center on it, even if it's centering on an entirely black screen for you. And then if you right-click on the center of the screen, you'll have coordinates that are pretty much accurate. Is that what you've tried and found not to work?

Very cool, actually. I am continuously amazed at the nuggets of knowledge that keep turning up. SG[1] and debeest verified this for SP under MGE. After a longish search of old saves, I found a verifying instance for SP under classic Civ242. Same thing; wonder cities but not Top 5. I attach the save.

So, rah, perhaps you should try a reinstall of the game, if you can't get these results under SP. In multiplayer mode, for PC, maybe this element/bug/feature was removed.

Monk

	14-03-2004 02:33									#44
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The only games I've tested it on started as MP games. Even in SP mode it doesn't work when I load old MP games. Reload the game, being an old IT man, if it ain't broke, don't screw with it.

But I would love it if someone could verify that they could do it in an MP game.

	14-03-2004 19:59									#45
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Top 5 cities:
I think they are evaluated like your Civ2 final score (happy citizen=2 points, content=1, wonder=20 points; see Info:Statistic thread). If 2 cities have an exact number of points the the older one is higher in the list.

	15-03-2004 12:27									#46
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I'm fairly certain that for the Top 5 Cities calculation, Wonders contribute 10 points, not 20.

	16-03-2004 22:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit There's an exception (of course). If the target city is near either pole, you will only get the E-W coordinate with any accuracy, since the poles prevent true N-S centering on objects that are too close.

Once you have the "longitude" (X coordinate) pretty close, you can use the other black-clicking trick and do left-right clicks to find a tile where it does not recenter - this will be the city site. This works even for cities near the poles.